Editor R1pley is contesting and axing for some reason the fact that Olenna knows about the Lannister mines going dry , which she didn't bother to disclose to her allies
The first part is from the text : in the minute 58 : "If he was so clever, why didn't he take Highgarden the moment your gold mines ran dry?"
A line present in any subtitle or transcript, in case you don't trust your ears. https://tinyurl.com/y7nkyv3a
So I'm restoring the exampes back because there is no base to remove them in the first place
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I agree with Troll Brutal and fully support this.
If this persists, please report R1pley.
Maybe make it clear that it's from this episode and not an earlier one, because I was a little baffled by its inclusion as I didn't remember her ever mentioning it before.
That said, does Tyrion ever make any mention of the gold under Casterly Rock? I recall him referring it to the Lannister ancestral home and seat of power, but I don't recall him ever actually mentioning its gold, so it's possible he knew and still thought its strategic/morale value was worth it.
EDIT: Looking at the script, I'm not sure Olenna knew about the gold running dry before this scene. The conversation with Jaime begins with him saying "The truth is Casterly Rock isn't worth much anymore" and Olenna talking about the gold running dry later could just be extrapolating.
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The way the scene is staged and directed, Olenna Tyrell sounds like she knows that Casterly rock was dry all along.
And in any case, nobody else saw that scene in any other way.
In either case, R1pley is Edit-warring, since he/she is not coming here to discuss after being invited to come here.
It's technically ambiguous, but in my opinion it's not illogical to imply that Olenna knew given her prior warning about trusting Tyrion's counsel and her Exact Words ''Your brother and his new queen thought..." rather than a self-inclusive "We thought...". Therefore, the examples seem like fair game on YMMV, especially if we preface them as based on interpretation and maybe add an Alternate Character Interpretation entry about the ambiguity.
Not so sure about that...it's up to the producers to take a stand and make it clear in communicating intent. Otherwise this could be like that Jaime/Cersei Sept sex/rape scene where the scene as written, was different from scene as shot and performed and edited.
We as audiences can trust our eyes and ears, and if a majority here admits that the scene plays a certain way, than we can push that forward.
Well, when I asked in the GOT thread here, no one thought that Olenna knew about the gold having run dry.
I think the best fit is an Alternative Character Interpretation entry, honestly.
Also, R1pley's been reported to ATT for edit-warring.
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If that's the case then correct accordingly...I think putting an Ambiguous Situation on the main page is fine because the information is communicated in a misleading manner...
I don't think that applies because one way or the other, I think it's an oversight on the writers' part and not them trying to create an ambiguous situation.
I think to them it's perfectly clear. But I genuinely, for the life of me, cannot decide for which way.
On one hand, Tyrion noticeably never mention's Casterly Rock's gold as a reason for attacking it. Meaning maybe Olenna knew, and maybe she told him, and maybe he didn't think it mattered.
Or maybe she didn't know, but quickly pieced it together from Jaime's words, which would be entirely in character for her.
There's just to many maybes to claim an objective trope or truth here. It's all conjecture.
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Several editors are reading it the textual way (Olenna already knew) and adding in examples in the subpages and such.
A lot of things in this episode are a bit rushed, dropping diabolus ex machina by the metric ton. (Casterly Rock should not be worthless even without the mines, other causes could be involved, but the show has gone this way)
Alternate Character Interpretation and Ambiguous Situation are fine be me, the issue about who knew about the Lannister mines was also touched in main discussion , after some people interpreted it was an Open Secret, but the editor didn't show up either link
So reading that Olenna reaches to that conclussion there is not far-fetched, it's ambiguous indeed, thanks the writing.
The line "your brother and his new queen" sounds indeed a bit exclusive, which may hint she's not sharing with her allies, after all she shows disregard for wise men in a previous chat.
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In lieu of wanting to defuse an edit war....
I placed an entry for Big-Lipped Alligator Moment and included this entry:
Now 1) A number of websites
saw that scene as Davos hitting on Missandei, so yes a minority did see it differently. 2) The conversation is entirely Davos asking Missandei about her background, her appearance, accents and home, it has nothing to do with her work as advisor, and in real-life, would seem as weird/inappropriate/creepy...
Now as per the page entry for BLAM, there are three categories for a moment: Appears out of Nowhere, Strange in Context, Never Goes Anywhere.
I believe the scene fits all three. Davos is not introducing or addressing anything related to the scene, the idea that he should small-talk with Missandei seems odd (when obviously he can discuss Blackwater with Tyrion, the fact that the latter killed his son, or talk to Jon Snow about the island and how he never thought he'd come back).
A YMMV moment doesn't have to be a majority view last time I checked, and the only qualification is if it fits the entry or not...