History YMMV / GameOfThronesS7E3TheQueensJustice

** In assigning Sam to copy all of those scrolls, is Archmaester Ebrose just not showing Sam any respect despite the extremely difficult Greyscale treatment he successfully pulled off, or is he being a StealthMentor by giving Sam access to learning material he might not see for years otherwise (since copying the scrolls also requires ''reading'' them)? Also, Sam will spend his time reading books instead of cleaning chamber pots. The answer becomes more clear in his next appearance.

** The {{Retcon}} that allows the Iron Bank of Braavos to be involved in the slave trade for the sake of a cheap CapitalismIsBad message. Said message doesn't even make internal sense, since if the Iron Bank cares only about money they should support the actually wealthy House Tyrell over House Lannister -- who had previously been established, despite their vehement attempts to pretend otherwise, to be {{Impoverished Patrician}}s to a degree where it was basically an OpenSecret that they were struggling with heavy debt -- and so ally with Daenerys, and Cersei also says "gold wins wars" when she and Jaime are winning despite being {{Mock Millionaire}}s. Likewise, if they were against Daenerys crusading against slavery, it would have made sense for them to intervene before she completely conquered Slaver's Bay and renamed it the "Bay of Dragons", rather than punish a very dangerous woman for no reason other than spite. This is especially frustrating because there were logical reasons for the Iron Bank to support Cersei, such as the debts owed to them belonging to Robert Baratheon's regime. If Dany were to win, she could logically argue that since she's the legitimate successor of Aerys, the previous transactions were invalid to begin with, a situation which is also historically in-synch with the UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses.[[note]]The London Branch of the Medici Bank which bankrolled multiple sides of the conflict went under when Henry Tudor refused to pay outstanding debts because he claimed that it came from illegitimate rebel factions and that he was not beholden to them.[[/note]]

** The dismissal of Casterly Rock as worthless without its mines, as if nobody in the Westerlands will hold such a loss against Jaime and Cersei (who've already sullied the family name with incest, humiliation, and kinslaying). This goes against the verisimilitude of earlier seasons that clearly showed the loss of an ancestral seat as a ShockingDefeatLegacy that totally demoralized and delegitimized Robb's campaign and earned him the epithet "The King Who Lost The North", which he planned to restore by targeting Casterly Rock in the same manner, not to mention preventing such a loss being why Stannis was willing to be ReducedToRatBurgers during Robert's Rebellion. Moreover, [[TheAce Tywin]] previously detailed how MoneyIsNotPower in a ''Histories & Lore'' featurette and, despite the lack of gold, valued Casterly Rock and his Westerlands prestige so much that giving them to [[TheUnfavorite Tyrion]] was so beyond the pale that he did all he could to force Jaime to reclaim his birthright.
** To some, Lady Olenna's capture itself is an Ass Pull as well since last we saw, she was advising Dany on Dragonstone and, unlike other characters, was never seen or said to be leaving. And while it's not inconceivable she would return home, there was still zero indication of it beforehand and the idea she'd effectively give up her place on Daenerys' small council and leave without a clear reason and sufficient strength to protect herself and her lands is somewhat counter-intuitive.

** Both the episode and the showrunners in "Inside the Episode" claim that the Tyrells are not good fighters and defenders. Such a statement is a serious InformedFlaw since the previous seasons established repeatedly that House Tyrell fields the biggest army of Westeros, that they turned the tide in favour of the Lannisters in the Battle of Blackwater, and that Littlefinger earned his RankUp and the Lannisters became militarily unbeatable because of their alliance with the Tyrells. Moreover, Tywin was quite keen on maintaining his alliance with the Tyrells who supplied grain and soldiers to the Lannisters. The same episode even has Olenna claiming that Tywin could have annexed the Reach as a LampshadeHanging. For either statement to be true, Tywin would have had to seriously overestimate the Reach and terribly overrate their potential, as would Robb Stark who likewise didn't consider an open battle with the united Lannister-Tyrell army, and the two smartest political and military minds in the show would have to be chumps in their field of expertise.

** The episode does not mention Maester Aemon, Dany's great-uncle, which may have helped soothe tensions between the two after Dany demands Jon bend the knee. Jon mentioning Maester Aemon would have been more in keeping with his character arc, of letting grudges go (shown earlier when he pardoned Alys Karstark and Ned Umber), and shown his strong relationship with Maester Aemon, one of Dany's few living relatives for most of the series until his death, and his connection to the Night's Watch (with "Kill the Boy" being his ArcWords for Season Five and playing a major part in his decision to ally with Tormund). This is especially frustrating because his alliance with the Wildlings is mentioned in the episode, which means Aemon's role could have naturally slipped in.
** This episode finally gives us depictions of both Casterly Rock and Highgarden, castles known in the books for their SceneryPorn and for their impressive architecture. The episode barely provides proper glimpses of their size with Casterly Rock, said to be the biggest castle of Westeros (after Harrenhal), looking fairly drab compared to even the exterior shots of Randyll Tarly's Keep in Season 6. Many felt that given how long delayed both are, that it should have been shown with a larger scale or better detail than what is seen here.

** Both Daenerys and Jon are likely intended to come across well in their meeting, but some viewers saw her coming across as entitled and hypocritical. She talks about how she isn't her father, but expects Jon to honor an oath that his ancestor made to her ancestor, an oath that said father has already broken. As for Jon, some felt he came across as hard-headed, asking for her help in the war against a dead but is unable to bring proof of this threat's existence. While Jon does speak the truth that it is coming for them all and human conflicts will mean nothing if the ZombieApocalypse kills everyone, Daenerys can't be sure this is true or -- as Tyrion later told Jon -- be expected to drop her conflict with Cersei to fight a threat most of Westeros hasn't seen come back to life.

** "Tell X. I want him/her to know it was me". Usually used in the context of CurbstompBattles or TheChessmaster-like moves even though in the original context it was more of a last minute taunt after defeat.

* IdiotPlot: The meeting between Jon and Dany suffers from this according to some. The scene neglects compelling reasons for the debate, and the entire scene exists for contrived ConflictBall and RuleOfDrama to delay Tyrion and Dany coming to the Wall and yet keep them sympathetic for not simply prioritizing the White Walkers right away:
** Jon could have invoked Maester Aemon (Dany's own great-uncle) sending a letter and warning of the Long Night, being both a connection with family that would appeal to Dany and would be harder for her to neglect, Ser Davos could have mentioned that Stannis went North to the aid of the Night's Watch and believed in the Long Night, and both could have cited how the entire North and the Vale believe in it and are preparing for the Long Night. Instead, Davos insists that Dany believe Jon because by speaking of his character when they have some testimonials to invoke, which is also reinforced in Jon's conversation with Tyrion when Jon wonders how he can convince people this threat is real.
** Ser Davos likewise acts as if he has never had experience in politics and diplomacy, such as missing a beat on listing Jon's titles, saying merely "King in the North" rather than [=998th=] Lord Commander of the Night's Watch and The White Wolf. In fact, he bartered with the Iron Bank, accompanied Jon and Sansa on their progress across the North to rally allies, and was in service to King Stannis Baratheon, who was particularly insistent on feudal titles and roles.
** There are solid rebuttals to Jon Snow's argument that the "game" in the South of who gets to be King doesn't matter even with the Long Night approaching, i.e. the rations for winter that are limited in the North (a situation that Sansa is shown in the same episode trying to tackle and deal with) which a sympathetic and united Southern Kingdom ''could'' ameliorate. Both Dany and Tyrion Lannister, who as Queen of Meereen and Hand of the King during TheSiege of King's Landing (mentioned in the same episode) dealt with food crises and could have used it to insist that it's in Jon's interest to support them (even if they don't believe the Long Night is coming, winter is already here and in either case, Jon does need alliances in the South). Instead, Dany goes by AppealToTradition and BindingAncientTreaty which can only be hypocritical for a woman who has trampled down so many traditions (and is branded a revolutionary by Cersei in the same episode), an argument that Tyrion, guilty of {{Patricide}} no less, also wholeheartedly supports. Furthermore, at the end of Season 6 Dany was willing to consider a request for independence by Yara Greyjoy provided they appeal personally to her, and though Jon doesn't quite ask for that in so many words, Dany still comes off as a lot more intractable than she's previously been depicted.
** Dany and Tyrion should know that Jon can't simply bend the knee without getting the support of the Lords of the North and the Vale who proclaimed him King first. Those lords made first Robb and then Jon king because they wanted an independent North, and would have to be talked into accepting Targaryen rule once again. If they're not behind him, then he has no Kingdom of the North to offer Dany. This is admittedly more an error on Jon's part, since by arriving in person, he put himself in a position of weakness and undermined his own authority, and likewise he doesn't fully convey to Dany the full predicament of his situation (such as acknowledging the Vale's role), being a very poor communicator (which again raises the question of why he went in person rather than send an effective diplomat and intermediary as Sansa insisted he do).

** The Lannister army taking Highgarden can be this, along with DiabolusExMachina. Once again, the Lannisters manage to conjure an army from thin air despite limited resources and manpower. Even with Randyll Tarly joining the Lannisters, the siege should have been a strategic nightmare. Highgarden is a castle situated on top of a forested hill and is the capital of the most resourceful and now richest region in Westeros. They could withstand a siege long enough before either reinforcements arrive or the Lannister army is forced to withdraw to deal with another situation. There is no indication that the Tyrell forces are spread thin as the assault on Casterly Rock was explicitly an Unsullied venture. As far as we're told, there aren't any flaws that could be exploited in Highgarden like with Casterly Rock. The Lannister army isn't seen with any siege equipment of their own and building them would take more than an afternoon much less bringing them up the hill. The Lannisters hold no hostages from House Tyrell so they can't do a repeat of the Siege of Riverrun. Finally, the Lannister army can be clearly seen approaching on an open plain so if by some stupid chance the castle was completely unprepared for an attack, it would still be able to muster a defence. The only reasonable explanation for Highgarden's defeat is the defenders simply just gave up, which we are told and shown is not true, with Olenna Tyrell stating that they were wimps who Jaime patronizingly notes went down fighting and that the Tyrells were such pushovers that Tywin could have annexed them without a second thought, which much like Roose Bolton fretting about supposedly cagey Northern alliances, ends up making Tywin the Great a total chump for trying to treat the Tyrells and Martells as equals. Not to mention there's no way an army of that size wouldn't be noticed moving across the continent, which would take days at least if not weeks.

** Is Daenerys dismissive of Jon because he is, in her eyes, a stubborn barbarian who is keeping her from, what she believes, is "rightfully" hers, or is it because, like most of the Westerosi she has encountered, he doesn't immediately bow and scrape to her many grand titles, and she is fed up of her MessiahComplex not being satiated by the Westerosi?

* FoeYay: Between Cersei and Tyene, as Cersei comments about the Tyene's exotic "Dornish" beauty and kills her by administering a KissOfDeath with DruggedLipstick.

** We are probably supposed to feel bad for Ellaria because she is going to be forced to watch her daughter die and decompose. But the thing is, Ellaria brought it all on herself. She murdered Myrcella just because she was a Lannister, even though she was an innocent girl who had nothing to do with Oberyn’s death. Even Oberyn never wished harm on Myrcella because she was a little girl. Then she stooped lower by murdering Doran and Trystane because they were trying to make peace with the Lannisters (which, as rulers, was the correct thing to do). She claimed that all of this was to “avenge Oberyn” even though Oberyn would be utterly disgusted with her actions. Ellaria, meanwhile is completely unrepentant about her crimes, appearing to silently gloat about it when Cersei asks her why she did it.

* WhatAnIdiot: The elite and irreplaceable Unsullied are thrown away by the hundreds in the diversionary frontal attack on Casterly Rock, then their superior morale is meant to close the numbers and equipment gap while the closed-in hallways inside nullify their main advantage of unbreakable formations. Meanwhile the hundred thousand utterly expendable Dothraki, who excel in this kind of personal combat and are famous for their archers (which would have been invaluable in the opening stages) have not been deployed ''anywhere''. The only reason they weren't massacred entirely was that the castle was left with only a token force. What makes it even worse is that the finale shows that they are fully capable of functioning as a combined force.
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** The {{Retcon}} that allows the Iron Bank of Braavos to be involved in the slave trade for the sake of a cheap CapitalismIsBad message. Said message doesn't even make internal sense, since if the Iron Bank cares only about money they should support the actually wealthy House Tyrell over House Lannister -- who had previously been established, despite their vehement attempts to pretend otherwise, to be {{Impoverished Patrician}}s to a degree where it was basically an OpenSecret that they were struggling with heavy debt -- and so ally with Daenerys, and Cersei also says "gold wins wars" when she and Jaime are winning despite being {{Mock Millionaire}}s. Likewise, if they were against Daenerys crusading against slavery, it would have made sense for them to intervene before she completely conquered Slaver's Bay and renamed it the "Bay of Dragons", rather than punish a very dangerous woman for no reason other than spite. This is especially frustrating because there were logical reasons for the Iron Bank to support Cersei, such as the debts owed to them belong to Robert Baratheon's regime. If Dany were to win, she could logically argue that since she's the legitimate successor of Aerys, the previous transactions were invalid to begin with, a situation which is also historically in-synch with the UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses[[note]]The London Branch of the Medici Bank which bankrolled multiple sides of the conflict went under when Henry Tudor refused to pay outstanding debts because he claimed that it came from illegitimate rebel factions and that he was not beholden to them.

** The Lannister army taking Highgarden can be this, along with DiabolusExMachina. Once again, the Lannisters manage to conjure an army from thin air despite limited resources and manpower. Even with Randyll Tarly joining the Lannisters, the siege should have been a strategic nightmare. Highgarden is a castle situated on top of a forested hill and is the capital of the most resourceful and now richest region in Westeros. They could withstand a siege long enough before either reinforcements arrive or the Lannister army is forced to withdraw to deal with another situation. There is no indication that the Tyrell forces are spread thin as the assault on Casterly Rock was explicitly an Unsullied venture. As far as we're told, there aren't any flaws that could be exploited in Highgarden like with Casterly Rock. The Lannister army isn't seen with any siege equipment of their own and building them would take more than an afternoon much less bringing them up the hill. The Lannisters hold no hostages from House Tyrell so they can't do a repeat of the Siege of Riverrun. Finally, the Lannister army can be clearly seen approaching on an open plain so if by some stupid chance the castle was completely unprepared for an attack, it would still be able to muster a defence. The only reasonable explanation for Highgarden's defeat is the defenders simply just gave up, which we are told and shown is not true, with Olenna Tyrell stating that they were wimps who Jaime patronizingly notes went down fighting and that the Tyrells were such pushovers that Tywin could have annexed them without a second thought, which much like Roose Bolton fretting about supposedly cagey Northern alliances, ends up making Tywin the Great a total chump for trying to treat the Tyrells and Martells as equals.

** The {{Retcon}} that allows the Iron Bank of Braavos to be involved in the slave trade for the sake of a cheap CapitalismIsBad message. Said message doesn't even make internal sense, since if the Iron Bank cares only about money they should support the actually wealthy House Tyrell over House Lannister -- who had previously been established, despite their vehement attempts to pretend otherwise, to be {{Impoverished Patrician}}s to a degree where it was basically an OpenSecret that they were struggling with heavy debt -- and so ally with Daenerys, and Cersei also says "gold wins wars" when she and Jaime are winning despite being {{Mock Millionaire}}s. Likewise, if they were against Daenerys crusading against slavery, it would have made sense for them to intervene before she completely conquered Slaver's Bay and renamed it the "Bay of Dragons", rather than punish a very dangerous woman for no reason other than spite. This is especially frustrating because there were logical reasons for the Iron Bank to support Cersei, such as the debts owed to them belong to Robert Baratheon's regime. If Dany were to win, she could logically argue that since she's the legitimate successor of Aerys, the previous transactions were invalid to begin with, a situation which is also historically in-synch with the UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses[[note]]The London Branch of the Medici Bank which bankrolled multiple sides of the conflict went under when Henry Tudor refused to pay outstanding debts because he claimed that it came from illegitimate rebel factions and that he was not beholden to them[[/note]] and there was no real need for such a blatant {{Retcon}}.

** There's also the part where not only did Ellaria (as far as the show portrays) completely wipe out her in-laws, ''she wiped out the entire ruling family of Dorne''. Neither she or any of the Sand Snakes stuck around to take charge of the government after their coup and slaughter of Doran and Trystane, meaning they've condemned the entire Dornish population to possible civil war and societal breakdown, and potentially the death of thousands, if not tens of thousands. House Martell was 'Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken' for roughly a thousand years... until Ellaria destroyed them for nothing more than revenge, after Oberyn died in an entirely legal duel which he ''volunteered'' for, fully knowing the risks.

** There's also the part where not only did Ellaria (as far as the show portrays) completely wipe out her in-laws, ''she wiped out the entire ruling family of Dorne''. Neither she or any of the Sand Snakes stuck around to take charge of the government after their coup and slaughter of Doran and Trystane, meaning they've condemned the entire Dornish population to possible civil war and societal breakdown, and potentially the death of thousands, if not tens of thousands. House Martell was 'Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken' for roughly a thousand years... until Ellaria destroyed them for nothing more than revenge, after Oberyn died in an entirely legal duel which he ''volunteered'' for, fulling knowing the risks.

We are probably supposed to feel bad for Ellaria because she is going to be forced to watch her daughter die and decompose. But the thing is, Ellaria brought it all on herself. She murdered Myrcella just because she was a Lannister, even though she was an innocent girl who had nothing to do with Oberyn’s death. Even Oberyn never wished harm on Myrcella because she was a little girl. Then she stooped lower by murdering Doran and Trystane because they were trying to make peace with the Lannisters (which, as rulers, was the correct thing to do). She claimed that all of this was to “avenge Oberyn” even though Oberyn would be disgusted with her actions. Ellaria, meanwhile is completely unrepentant about her crimes, appearing to silently gloat about it when Cersei asks her why she did it.
** There's also the part where not only did Ellaria (as far as the show portrays) completely wipe out her in-laws, ''she wiped out the entire ruling family of Dorne''. Neither she or any of the Sand Snakes stuck around to take charge of the government after their coup and slaughter of Doran and Trystane, meaning they've condemned the entire Dornish population to possible civil war and societal breakdown, and potentially the death of hundreds, if not thousands. House Martell was 'Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken' for roughly a thousand years... until Ellaria destroyed them for nothing more than revenge... after Oberyn died in an entirely legal duel which he ''volunteered'' for, fulling knowing the risks.

** We are probably supposed to feel bad for Ellaria because she is going to be forced to watch her daughter die and decompose. But the thing is, Ellaria brought it all on herself. She murdered Myrcella just because she was a Lannister, even though she was an innocent girl who had nothing to do with Oberyn’s death. Even Oberyn never wished harm on Myrcella because she was a little girl. Then she stooped lower by murdering Doran and Trystane because they were trying to make peace with the Lannisters (which, as rulers, was the correct thing to do). She claimed that all of this was to “avenge Oberyn” even though Oberyn would be disgusted with her actions. Ellaria, meanwhile is completely unrepentant about her crimes, appearing to silently gloat about it when Cersei asks her why she did it.
** There's also the part where not only did Ellaria (as far as the show portrays) completely wipe out her in-laws, ''she wiped out the entire ruling family of Dorne''. Neither she or any of the Sand Snakes stuck around to take charge of the government after their coup and slaughter of Doran and Trystane, meaning they've condemned the entire Dornish population to possible civil war and societal breakdown, and potentially the death of hundreds, if not thousands. House Martell was 'Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken' for roughly a thousand years... until Ellaria wiped them out for nothing more than revenge... after Oberyn died in an entirely legal duel which he ''volunteered'' for, fulling knowing the risks.

** We are probably supposed to feel bad for Ellaria because she is going to be forced to watch her daughter die and decompose. But the thing is, Ellaria pretty much brought it on herself. She murdered Myrcella just because she was a Lannister, even though she was an innocent girl who had nothing to do with Oberyn’s death. Even Oberyn never wished harm on Myrcella because she was a little girl. Then she stooped lower by murdering Doran and Trystane because they were trying to make peace with the Lannisters. She claimed that all of this was to “avenge Oberyn” even though Oberyn would be disgusted with her actions. Ellaria, meanwhile is completely unrepentant about her crimes, appearing to silently gloat about it when Cersei asks her why she did it.

** We are probably supposed to feel bad for Ellaria because she is going to be forced to watch her daughter die and decompose. But the thing is, Ellaria pretty much brought it on herself. She murdered Myrcella just because she was a Lannister, even though she was an innocent girl who had nothing to do with Oberyn’s death. Even Oberyn never wished harm on Myrcella because she was a little girl. Then she stooped lower by murdering Doran and Trystane because they were trying to make peace with the Lannisters. She claimed that all of this was to “avenge Oberyn” even though Oberyn would be disgusted with her actions. Ellaria is completely unrepentant about her crimes. So it’s difficult to feel sadness for her because she had already proven she was just as bad as the Lannisters.

** We are probably supposed to feel bad for Ellaria because she is going to be forced to watch her daughter die and decompose. But the thing is, some feel Ellaria pretty much brought it on herself. She murdered Myrcella just because she was a Lannister, even though she was an innocent girl who had nothing to do with Oberyn’s death. Even Oberyn never wished harm on Myrcella because she was a little girl. Then she stooped lower by murdering Doran and Trystane because they were trying to make peace with the Lannisters. She claimed that all of this was to “avenge Oberyn” even though Oberyn would be disgusted with her actions. Ellaria is completely unrepentant about her crimes. So it’s difficult to feel sadness for her because she had already proven she was just as bad as the Lannisters.

** Though it's possible that Tywin heard Tyrion was finding some way to sneak whores in past security, and just pretty much gave up trying to stop him until they were running King's Landing.
** Also, the way Tyrion phrases it, Tywin literally rebuilt Casterly Rock from the ground up as part of his efforts to restore the Lannisters' reputation, even having Tyrion completely redesign its sewers.