Loki explained why Odin was going to hand the kingdom to Thor. He could never give it to a Frost Giant.
Don't try to reason with him. He's not acquainted with the concept.
I agree with everything you said, though I didn't think the movie was that bad. I will concede that it wasn't very good, either, for exactly the reasons you said. I thought that a lot of things individually worked (the fight with the frost giants in the beggining was good) but it just didn't come together as a whole.
I definietly don't think it's as good as everyone else seems to say.
And by the way, just why were the frost giants so into getting their cube back? Its significance was never really explained beyong "it's the source of their powers." But they clearly demonstrated they had ice-powers even without it, so...
Doctor Habberdash MD, why the hate? He had a very well constructed and well reasoned review, just because you may not agree with it doesn't mean he's "not aquainted with the concept of reason".
This hit the nail on the head! This is pretty much everything that's wrong with this horrible movie.
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Wow, what a really productive and subtle comment! I really deserved it after I stated something that you disagreed with about a movie. Way to not be rude.
Well, the comment was ambiguous enough that it's not a stretch to believe he was actually agreeing with you, or stating his opinion on Hollywood as a whole, or even making a subtle commentary on the state of Internet comment threads! The possibilities are endless!
I guess so. It was posted after mine so I assumed that it was a response to my comment. Maybe I was wrong.
Well, you were probably right. I was being mildly sarcastic, mainly because he was obviously baiting you. (Well, let me rephrase - he was obviously baiting someone, it's not clear whether it was you or the OP.)
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A love story in a movie should not be based on how long it is in movie time, but on how convincingly the two characters relate to each other. You obviously found their relationship unconvincing, but it would have still been unconvincing for you if they spent a year together.
That's one of the movie's points; at the beginning, Loki would have made a better ruler than Thor. That's not because Loki is great, so much as Thor is not. Loki is clearly established as a manipulative liar who is willing to break the rules to get what he wants; while that's better than the brute Thor started out as, it's certainly not desirable in a leader.
Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.
@Scardoll, some of the above was valid but in a way that wouldn't necessarily help when you're in the flow of the film, but yeah most of that was true.
I feel there's a lot of truth in what Onith said but for me it didn't add up to an atroscious film just a not particularly brilliant one. It's more bland than bad, with some highlights that Onith mentioned. I think we can begin to come to the conclusion that Marvel need to do something about Loki in their films because he's so darn likeable he's won over parts of the audience in both films he's been in. Making him do monstrous things doesn't work because then people feel they're just sticking in monstrous things to make him a villain (no matter how well or poorly justified it happens to be)
I feel maybe they need Loki to fight against a common enemy (maybe not as a team but goes off on his own) and not have him become friends persay but maybe a Magneto style villain/anti-hero. If that does happen then it means he'll have had a nice character arc over the three films and I think it may even make all three better because it won't feel so bad that Loki's the bad guy
While I can respect the writers starting off the character of Thor as a tantrum-throwing man child, all the explanation that is given for his change into a selfless hero comes from a girl he knew for as little as a week.
His growth as a character is far from being solely due to Jane, though. He is humbled and his self-image is shattered when he fails to pick up Mjolnir. Then Loki arrives and tells him that their father has died of the grief caused by his actions, his brother is now under the weight of a realm at war without support from Thor or Odin, and his mother doesn't want to see him. That, because of what he's done, he can never return to Asgard.
Certainly Jane helps him and falling in with hardworking compassionate people was a big factor in guiding his development, but ultimately it was the finality and devastation of his fall that changes him. He's forced to take responsibility and feel the consequences of his actions in a way he never has before- that's what changes him. He understands the burden of his power.
I didn't think that much of the film the first time I saw it, but characterisation is definitely a strength it has and would have been even more so if they'd left in the deleted scenes.
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Thor is an absolutely atrocious movie.
This was a terrible movie. While being a comic book reader, I’ve never focused on the character of Thor much (and have never read any of his solo stories) and was looking forward to this movie as a proper introduction to his character. I left the cinema feeling angry about this movie – and I only paid 50 cents to see it. A major problem with this film is the characters. The entire earth supporting cast (the scientists) were completely superfluous to the plot, as in fact were most of the Asgard supporting cast (excluding Loki, Odin and Heimdall).
The real failure of this movie though comes from the abysmal attempt as characterisation and character development. While I can respect the writers starting off the character of Thor as a tantrum-throwing man child, all the explanation that is given for his change into a selfless hero comes from a girl he knew for as little as a week. While I don’t expect much from superhero movies with regards to romance subplots, this was amazingly badly executed (and took up a chunk of the movie) – F.Y.I guys, a “crazy, homeless guy” who calls himself a god of lightning and is much bigger than and is physically intimidating to you, kissing you on the hand would not be charming; it would be change-of-pants terrifying.
Another characterisation failure is that at one point during the movie Odin, the all-father, the ruler of Asgard, was about to hand over an entire realm of existence to what was, at the time, a destructive dumb brute. There is not even a reason for this plot-induced stupidity – it simply is.
There are some good points, though. Some of the comic relief was quite good, and some of the architecture was quite specky. The character of Loki was also done exceedingly well, until he is derailed in the third act to make him a more viable villain (at around the same time Thors character was similarly derailed to make him a viable hero). Though this in and of itself created problems in that Loki seemed as though he would have made (and did, at one point, make) a better ruler then Thor, and I was cheering for him for most of the movie.
In conclusion, this movie is not worth seeing. Most of the characters were bland, the characterisation was all over the place, the love-story was mind bogglingly boring and unbelievable, and to top it all of the fighting was bad. Do not go see this movie – it is simply not worth it.