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allfictions Monsieur Since: Aug, 2013
Monsieur
05/30/2023 20:47:12 •••

Wasted potential derailing into directionless plot

I read this fanfic back when it was just "Book 1", finishing reading it by the time the second installment A Crack of Thunder was announced. I dropped it by then because I came away from it disappointed, and ever since, the more I learn about elements from Books 2 and 3, the more justified I feel.

I think the fundamental problem, the same I realized back when I first read and which I suspect still drives most of the fic's decisions, I firmly believe the author just didn't have an actual plot/plan in mind. They saw the "Tony Stark in House Stark" memes, decided to turn it into a Ascended Meme and didn't think any further into how to make it work. Hence why the story started as a crossover with MCU: Tony Stark, but soon devolved into crossing over the larger Marvel Universe.

This might sound harsh, but compare the Superhero Origin of canon Iron Man with this fic's Iron Man:

  • Tony is a self-absorbed and callous merchant of death selling weapons who ends up kidnapped by terrorists using his weapons and forcing him to work on a new one. Tony almost dies due to his heart getting hit but his life is saved by Yinsen. During his months of imprisonement, Tony sees and realizes first hand the harm he has caused, notably when one of his weapons killed Yinsen's family, and Yinsen drives him to become a better man. Tony escapes, but Yinsen sacrifices his life for him to do so. Tony swears to no longer sell weapons and to stop his tech falling into the wrong hands.
  • Tony is a Lovable Rogue with his worst qualities Downplayed, who is kidnapped by random brigands who do it on the count of another party (later revealed to be an Original Character noble). Tony stays abducted barely one day/night before being rescued, though he was tortured in the meanwhile. During his rescue, the No Name Given daughter of a noble lord (the same one who orchestrated Tony's abduction) who had been sold to slavery to the ruffians is Stuffed into the Fridge, I mean tragically killed, and that serves as the catalyst for Tony to decide to become a hero, as his Epiphany Therapy is that Westeros is a Crapsack World and he needs to do something about it.

The second scenario and motivation could work for many other superheroes, but for Iron Man, it comes across as incredibly weak, a Compressed Adaptation of his Superhero Origin that removes most of the personal responsibility he felt for a pithy realization making the world to be the one most at fault. No wonder the first book has the author remarking "Tony is an arrogant person who doesn't care about the wider world. He is then hurt and decides to change. And… that's it! There is no other growth. Oh, we see him develop, we see him learn… but there are no more lessons in the movie for him. We just see the aftermath. And that isn't a bad thing! Its refreshing that this is about the journey to and what happens right after he decides to be Iron man."

Either you don't care about the character and got bored, or you have a very bizarre view to conclude Tony was a fully realized character by the end of the first movie. The former would explain the shift to Loads and Loads of Characters from Marvel, the latter would explain how the fic has shallow understanding of ASOIAF characters as well (Catelyn, Tywin, Melisandre, Arianne, etc.)

Even if one just wants to see Marvel characters in Westeros, I'm not even sure I would recommend it when so many crossed over elements poorly translated or are badly integrated into ASOIAF as a setting.

DarkPhoenix94 Since: Jan, 2015
05/25/2023 00:00:00

If you stopped at the start of Book 2, then you\'re missing some pretty important character development. Seriously. I don\'t know about you, but to me, Tony is not and not meant to meant to be the finished article by the end of the first book, any more than he is by the end of the first movie. And as you read, whatever else you can say about the story, there is definitely a careful plan at work there, with a lot of stuff being set up far in advance.

allfictions Since: Aug, 2013
05/30/2023 00:00:00

I do not know about careful, though I do not doubt there is a plan now, or at least an outline of sorts. You do not write 2 more \"books\" worth of plan solely by Writing by the Seat of Your Pants after all. However, and that was my original point, I very much doubt they started with an actual plan instead of loosely adapting the plot of Iron Man 1 in Westeros (which I guess is a \"plan\" in a way) with some Marvel cameos. And that\'s not because I solely interpret it that way, it\'s because the author himself said it.

From the very first chapter:

Third, as of right now there is no plan for the Avengers to show up, mainly because it would be simply too large of a project to include them. [...] There is a chance Black Widow could appear in this story, as could Hawkeye.

And Chapter 8 of Book 1, which introduces Logan:

Author\'s Note: This chapter was originally not in my plans. In fact, I had not even considered having Dany in this story. But I blame reading too many X-Men Evolution fics for making me suddenly want to include Wolverine in this fic. He just fits so well as Dany\'s new bodyguard and will allow me to check in on the Princess from time to time.

None of these set up or foreshadow the full fusion that would occur later. The story would have been written far more differently if from the start it had been Marvel/ASOIAF, as the elements would have been set up from the first chapter. And, well, the first book would have been properly tagged.

As it is, reading it felt to me like the plot did an abrupt turn and decided to be about something else entirely than what it started as, and not in an organic natural progression either. And it is where my impression that it felt like the author got bored of Tony and the Iron Man plot comes from, because the story shifts so suddenly from what is supposed to be his growing into becoming a hero to being about turning Westeros into Marvel and tease readers with cameos and references and Rule of Cool. I\'m not opposed to the latter as an idea, but I would have liked to not have been sold something completely different when I started reading.

Maybe he got more focus later and the author rectifies his \"no other growth\" stance, but when I read 33 chapters of a fanfic and came away from it disappointed, \"it gets better later!\" is not exactly enticing me to keep going through more. I was also told the Catelyn bashing is way toned down, but that\'s still too little too late.


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