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That line just made me want to stop reading your review. Why don't you want to go over any of the points you like?

Sounds to me like you disliked the movie more because Darker and Edgier isn't your thing than because the movie actually was bad...

I thought the Darker and Edgier change was alright. Not that bad but it is all up to opinion.

Yes, the incinerator climax was predictable but the characters were already established enough to make me want to care about them. Even if it was cliche, the main thing that matters is if you care about the characters. I'm guessing you didn't care about them though. Which is surprising since the film did a pretty good job of establishing their motivations.

The side characters are pretty bland. No argument there.

The military switch for Buzz was cruel yes but that was kinda the point. And no it wasn't unnecessary since it made Lotso more threatening as a villain.

If you didn't like the Darker and Edgier change then fine. This is one of the few times that this hasn't gone overboard with this change (*cough* Adventure Time has gone overboard with being dark for example) and it was actually necessary since it addresses some of the Fridge Horror of living as a toy.

The only reason I am kinda wary of rewatching it is because I have seen it SO MANY TIMES!!!! It's a great movie in my opinion but seeing it so many times is really annoying.

As there are only 400 words available, I couldn't squeeze any positives in without sacrificing various other sentences. I hate the 400 word limit, it's very restrictive.

Oh lord, she or he uses the typical "it's overrated" excuse. Seriously, people use that word for anything that people like more than them. To the point where the word itself is ironically enough overrated. Also you'll only list the negatives? Oh this review so totally won't be biased. >_>

But whatever, let's dissect your arguments:

Honestly, if your complaints toward the movie was that it was too dark and serious for your taste, than you clearly miss the entire point of the movie. The whole theme of the movie is things change and nothing will ever stay the same. The toys had accept that, so did Andy, and so did every other character. Heck so did the audience. If you thought Toy Story 3 would remain the same as it was after 11 years than you really did miss the point. The main event wasn't about having "fun" it was about letting go and moving on and the movie executed that superbly. And Buzz being brainwash into thinking he was a real deal was played seriously at first....THAT WAS THE POINT! Beside that, they later made up for it by having Spanish mode which was very funny. You complain about the Monkey and the Baby being creepy but so was Sid toys in the first and so was Woody's nightmare in the second.

And your dismiss with the incinerator isn't a good one. With that logic we shouldn't care about Buzz being blown up by Sid because "we all knew he wasn't going to die", we shouldn't care about Woody or Buzz being stranded in the street after RC ran out of power "because we all knew they would think of something" we shouldn't care about Woody and Jessie being nearly ship to japan "because we all knew they wouldn't go to the japan"

See how flawed this argument is? What matters is execution and how it was presented not what's going to happen or not. That scene showed how much the toys we're a family and how they literally mean they'll be in this together.

And really? You complian about the side characters but they have as much personalty perhaps even more than the side characters from the previous films such as Lenny, Wheezy, Bo Beep, Andy's other toys and Sid's Toys. So that's a really moor point. And there called side characters for a reason they aren't the main focus of the film.

And seriously? Your complaining about them just saying the claw three times? That is such a nit picky and incredibly minor thing to complain about. Not only was the first time they said it was an a incredibly minor scene but the other two times they said was actually vital to the plot. The second time was foreshadowing as to what would save the toy while the third time was crafted into a beautiful and iconic scene on what save the Toys lives in a brilliant fashion. That is example of how you reference previous films and do it in a way that it doesn't become old be enlighten the ideal. It's like you completely ignored the events of the claw and how it was use just to whine about something that was isn't even a problem.

And you statement is hypocritical, you criticize Toy Story 3 of making references to the previous film when Toy Story 2 did the exact same damn thing. It was even more blatant in that one than 3. And rehash? Seriously? Now your just bashing the movie using in lose term you can. Please tell me in what way is Toy Story 3 rehash, I would so love to hear what points you'll make for this. Please do tell.

And no, there's no shame here. Toy Story 3 needed to be this because it was able to deliver beautiful emotional satisfying conclusion to the series. The movie grew with the fans and was made to appeal to the older crowd. I'm not saying being darker means mature in the slightest. There's tons of example of being Dark falling on it's face. But Toy Story 3 is not one of them, the film manages to be dark yet still feel like a Toy Story we all know. The movie succeeded what it wanted to do and that was it's theme. Growing up and things change. Had it not taken this route it message wouldn't have been as strong and prominent as it was deliver.

You just didn't get it and it shows.

Okay then, time for me to dissect YOUR arguments.

"Honestly, if your complaints toward the movie was that it was too dark and serious for your taste, than you clearly miss the entire point of the movie. The whole theme of the movie is things change and nothing will ever stay the same. The toys had accept that, so did Andy, and so did every other character. Heck so did the audience. If you thought Toy Story 3 would remain the same as it was after 11 years than you really did miss the point. The main event wasn't about having "fun" it was about letting go and moving on and the movie executed that superbly."

Uhm, no I didn't. I understood entirely what the movie was about. I just don't enjoy the film's tone. It's too dark and melancholic for its own good, a sad way to conclude the trilogy. Yes, we get it, they get a new owner. Good, well done. I don't care. I didn't need the movie to lecture me that all good things come to an end, unless the writers assumed that all the fans haven't already matured and actually needed to learn that. As for Spanish Buzz... meh.

"You complain about the Monkey and the Baby being creepy but so was Sid toys in the first and so was Woody's nightmare in the second."

As a kid, Sid's toys were terrifying beyond belief, but now I think they're hilarious. As for Woody's nightmare, it was short and sweet, and actually pretty funny, IMHO. As for the monkey... God. The amount of times it screams is obnoxious. I hated Big Baby from the second I saw him as well, because he actually looks like a bruised baby, and that's creepy.

"And your dismiss with the incinerator isn't a good one. With that logic we shouldn't care about Buzz being blown up by Sid because "we all knew he wasn't going to die"..."

Yes, but in the third movie, the incinerator scene was just so overdone, with all the characters holding hands and such, as if it's actually going to happen. Yes, we knew Buzz wasn't going to blow up, but watching the two escape from the rocket never gets old, just like watching Woody and Jessie escape from the plane in TS 2 will always be Woody's finest hour. If they had all died in the incinerator, the scene would be heartbreaking and would work. But they don't. They hold hands, sad music plays, and I was expected to cry for them? They're not gonna die. I had no reason to do so.

"And really? You complain about the side characters but they have as much personalty perhaps even more than the side characters from the previous films such as Lenny, Wheezy, Bo Beep, Andy's other toys and Sid's Toys"

Lenny never really had much personality, but he was useful as a pair of binoculars. Wheezy and Bo Peep actually had personality and were important. Wheezy foreshadowed Stinky Pete's problem and had to be saved, resulting in Woody being kidnapped, and Bo Peep was his love interest. And Sid's toys were unique because they were all horrifying hybrids that showed that Sid was a seriously disturbed individual.

"And seriously? Your complaining about them just saying the claw three times? That is such a nit picky and incredibly minor thing to complain about."

It still annoyed me. First time they said it, fine. The next time... Oh, they said it again. Okay. Third time? Annoying, because it was only said just a few minutes ago! I was hoping they would say "Yooouuuu have been chosen!" THAT would have been SO MUCH BETTER and meaningful. Come on, writers, you had the chance! A big facepalm moment, there. I mean, if they're gonna constantly reference the first two films, they may as well do it right.

"And rehash? Seriously? Now your just bashing the movie using in lose term you can. Please tell me in what way is Toy Story 3 rehash, I would so love to hear what points you'll make for this. Please do tell."

Well, firstly, TS 3 is definitely better than threequels like Ice Age 3 and Shrek The Third. But still, the whole "children grow up and forget their toys" plot was already done by the absolutely perfect Toy Story 2, which to me is the greatest movie ever made, full stop. Toy Story 3 showed "it all ending" but personally I didn't want to see Andy growing up. Just like the horrendous epilogue of Harry Potter, it was something that should have been left to the imaginations of the viewers. But no, they just had to show the whole ordeal, resulting in a similar storyline as the second film with nowhere near the amount of heart, soul, fun, cleverness, detail, innovation, story, purpose, joy or meaning. Toy Story 2 covered all of Toy Story 3's ground. Personally, I cannot believe that ANYBODY can prefer the third film to the second, or the first for that matter.

"And no, there's no shame here. Toy Story 3 needed to be this because it was able to deliver beautiful emotional satisfying conclusion to the series. The movie grew with the fans and was made to appeal to the older crowd."

I did grow up with the first two movies, but there is just so much about Toy Story 3 I didn't like anyway. The gloomy colours. The ugly setting. That horrible, moronic scene where Sunnyside's toddlers torture the toys; come on, toddlers aren't that destructive. The off-puttingly cold atmosphere. The slow, sleepy pace. The fact that it lacks true fun. That bloody monkey. The incinerator scene. The lack of humour. The way the film constantly fails to be as touching as the previous film. And let me tell you this now - Toy Story 2's conclusion was already satisfying, with all the toys united and dancing together. THAT is the end, to me.

That said, I do think the movie has some strengths! :)

-Lotso is a great character. I never imagined he would be the villain. -Ken is funny. -Great animation of course. -The Toy Story characters are still fun to watch for the most part. -The way they escape is really clever. -That awesome opening scene. -The ending, while gloriously cheesy, brought minor tears to my eyes in the cinema. It doesn't anymore, but it did. Once.

But the many problems with the movie do not make it as enjoyable as the first two, for me. The first Toy Story was an instant classic, the second is, to me, absolutely unimprovable, but the third? Just passable, nothing more or less. I'd only give it a 5, but I'd give TS 1 a 9 and TS 2 an 11, because that film is so immensely masterful that 10 doesn't seem like enough. I do not consider TS 3 essential, either. The first two, absolutely. You can't watch one without the other. But Toy Story 3? Optional, just like many threequels.

There you go. Happy?

If you did understood what the entire movie was about, than you'd understand why the film's tone took a dark and melancholic approach but clearly you didn't all your arguments sums up as Darker = Bad, and it should've been fun.

You even use the same annoying statement on the Spongebob Movie review. Not a compelling argument that's just you stating out your preference.

And it's even more clear that your voicing you preference as an argument in regards to the creepy scenes throughout series. regardless of how you feel about those scenes doesn't t change the fact that those we're intended to be creepy scenes in the first place. And I fail to see how Woody's dream qualify as short and sweet or actually pretty funny. He's dreaming about getting disowned by the person he loves and be thrown in away. Which from a Toy point of view is very horrifying. And it's pretty judgmental of you to judge Big Baby solely by his appearance.

The reason why the Incinerator scene works even though weren't going to die is how powerful the scene was presented. As I mention before it shows how the Toys really stick together for better or for worse. It's very dark scene but they manage to excute such a dark and scary scene to a very tense & heartwarming moment.

And for the side characters we're the discussion was about there personalty, not what role they had. Those are two big difference.

As for the claw thing, you're still nitpicking so i'm not going to go back and forth over something so trivial and minor I'd hardly call that face palm, you're just making something out of nothing.

And you're wrong about the "children grow up and forget their toys" plot was being completely covered in Toy Story 2 . You see there's a big difference between discussing & acknowledging that something that will happen in a movie, and that something actually happening in the movie. In the end of 2 Woody acknowledge that Andy will outgrow them someday but decides to enjoy his time while it last, 3 is all about Andy now being grown up and Toys deciding what the heck are they going to do. Those are two different plot points. with two different outcomes. It's not rehashing a plot point, it's CONTINUING a plot point. Because last time I check that's what sequel are suppose to do, continue an event that wasn't resolve at the end of the film. Toy Story 2 was a temporarily solution for the Toys problem with Andy growing up because he's still a kid they can still have there fun. In 3 he is now grown up and that's where the drama happens.

Learn the difference between rehash and continuing plot point, please. And it's funny that you feel that way towards Toy Story 2 given that most people often feel that it's the weakest out the Toy Story films. Just needed to say that to crush that rather annoying gushing you have going on about Toy Story 2.

And your last two paragraphs consist of you just stating your preference. That not even debate but your completely wrong about Toy Story 3 being optional because as I said before it resolves the plot point that the previous film left hanging like any good sequels does. So it's not optional because I doubt the Grand Finale is something that should be consider optional. That's just similar to reading a book then stopping before the last chapter and just pretend the last chapter never happen. A very nonsensical thing to do.

You said before that you don't need the writers to lecture you about good things coming to an end but saying things like "but personally I didn't want to see Andy growing up" or "it was something that should have been left to the imaginations of the viewers."

And especially " And let me tell you this now - Toy Story 2's conclusion was already satisfying, with all the toys united and dancing together. THAT is the end, to me." Makes me assume otherwise.

And no I'm not happy I had to respond to your response which consist nothing but you ranting about your personal preference, abusing the term rehash, and annoyingly gushing over Toy Story 2. (I love the film as well but your gushing is really annoying, I get it you love Toy Story 2 now can you stop PLEASE?)

I'm far from happy. :|

I am allowed an opinion. If you enjoy the movie, fine. I do not enjoy it that much, and it's not like I have to.

Look, I've tried. I've watched Toy Story 3 five or six times, and I really can't be bothered to watch it again. I just cannot fully get into it. There is just so much unnecessary ugliness to it and so few stand-out scenes. When I think of the movie, I don't instantly think of great things. I just think of miserable scenarios and ugly side-characters.

Here's my personal ranking of the Pixar movies:

Toy Story 2 The Incredibles Monsters, Inc. Finding Nemo Up Toy Story Monsters University Ratatouille A Bug's Life WALL-E Cars Toy Story 3 Brave Cars 2

Damn it! I hate how when you try to list things with one item per space on TV Tropes, it crams it all into one sentence. But yeah, that's my ranking, from best to worst.

You don't have to enjoy the movie, but when you make a review about the Movie along with false points that don't really add up, expect to get a response in return.

"False points". What.

Did you not read my essay I replied to you with???

Yeah, given your lack of response I'll take that as a yes.

I didn't want continue the squabbling. Perhaps I should have said "Yes, I read it" and left it at that. Can we not just agree to disagree?

Damn TT 454 you sure wanted the last word.

You know, if you didn't want to - "continue this squabble" - then replying is definitely not the right course of action.

Besides, your review reads more like the whining of a person gripped by nostalgia than anything else. The film might be for those who have grown up with Toy Story, but it is definitely not mean to be solely for them.

This review is so overtly biased, that I\'m not surprised people don\'t agree (I don\'t either). Look, I can appreciate a negative review if it\'s at least balanced with *some* positives about the movie but instead you come off as needlessly cynical for a film no matter how surprisingly dark it gets, ends on a more positive note (even the end-credits scenes are a delight to witness).

>"You just didn't get it and it shows."

Afro, are you going out of your way to sound as pretentious and uptight as possible? This was even a bad review; perhaps TT could've glossed over the positives a bit more, but at least he presented his opinion somewhat civilly.

Girls, Girls, you're both pretty. Can I go home now?

Tries to seem neutral and argument-ending by... bringing up an old argument from many months and years ago?

Is it wrong I think fans really overplay how dark and sinister Lotso is? I mean sure he\'s the biggest swine of the Toy Story antagonists but he didn\'t really seem that deep a sociopath. He might have if he stuck to his rants during his Villainous Breakdown, but the moment he was in risk of pain he turned into a standard cartoon Dirty Coward Smug Snake. He was less a Straw Nihilist and more just a particularly nasty case of the butthurt little school bully.

His minions lacked a dynamic with him, they didn\'t seem that afraid or abused by him, they were just other butthurt little school bullies, so it looked odd when they were forgiven so easily by the hero cast.

Even the villain twist wasn\'t TOO surprising because Pixar has done these villain twists over and over (including with the last film).

Meh, I wouldn\'t go so far as to call this movie \"overrated\" but I don\'t think it\'s as great as everyone says. Maybe I\'m just too cynical but the incinerator scene didn\'t effect me at all, and I honestly thought the ending with Bonnie & Andy was cheesy. I prefer 2; IMHO, it\'s the best flick in the series.

I find 2 to be far more overrated than 3 is. Granted, 3 definitely shouldn\'t have had a G rating, but it was better than 2. The first one is still best though.