Can we repull this for misuse? A plotline isn't a character and can't be a scrappy.
The characters' popularity remains unchanged. This is still misuse.
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Actually, now I can see that this is not the proper trope. Like you said, it is not about a character, but really about a storyline. Perhaps Win Back The Crowd would be better? Dorne may be popular for the book readers (which is questionable. I like it, but if you check the AFFC YMMV you see that some people think it was a Waste of good plot so it's not universally liked,) however the storyline was REALLY disliked by tv viewers (be them book readers too, or just viewers) because Dorne had scenes with Obara as the only speaking Sand Snake, which many disliked (monologue+characterization), and a really narmy fight. After checking forums (including Reddit), it is believed the Dorne storyline was much more popular after Tyrene scenes with Bronn and pretty much all the scenes with Doran, but these only came to the front AFTER the whole attack on Myrcella and Trystane. So yes, I think we should remove the Rf SH, but we should discuss about the storyline recovering the interest of the viewers.
That's actually an excellent alternate trope. I'm happy with that.
EDIT: Reworded it and added it as WBTC.
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This one is actually questionable:
- Apparently in the Crapsack World of Go T nobody finds it necessary to search visitors of huge public events before letting them enter a closed compound. In Real Life this is common practice for good reasons, as they could smuggle all kinds of dangerous stuff in: fireworks, vuvuzelas, weapons, scary golden masks of the cult that has been terrorizing your city for months...
I am not sure that it would be that easy to do. Even today it's hard do check these things, and we have much better technology, like metal detectors. Doing a full check, hands-on is also problematic, first because the number of people is huge, and more, Daenerys is dealing with people that are not exactly happy with us. Sending a bunch of eunuchs ('Why no one ever trust the eunuch?') or mercenaries touch you all around is hardly diplomatic. It's also possible that they the masks and other apparel was smuggled through different means, and considering that the 'police' (if you can call that) of Mereen was made out of foreigners that don't know every little hole of the city, then I don't think it would be impossible to do so.
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I tend to agree. Pat-downs of every person that enters the stadium seems grossly inefficient. It's not like they have metal detectors.
I do think security should have been much tighter, but searching every single person seems wildly impractical.
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Pulled this for a few reasons:
- Idiot Ball: Stannis seriously wasn't thinking things through here. Shireen is his only heir, and without one, there's really no point to taking the Iron Throne, and little chance anyone will support him. He's just thrown away his chance at being king, the only thing he's wanted for four seasons, to win a single battle in a remote region with little political connection to his real goal.
- Though you are right about her being his heir, there is some logic with the rest. The North supporting Stannis is highly important, since they have large numbers and REALLY hate the south right now. Besides, it is important to make sure that the north is united and prepared, with Winter coming and the Long Night, one of the main forefronts of the battle will be the North.
1: Natter. 2: As the natter says, the support of the North is huge to Stannis. Never mind the fact he has to go through the North anyway to march onto King's Landing. 3: It's also not a ball because he's consistently been planning on taking Winterfell for the entire season, no matter the cost. 4: Not having an heir doesn't make him not the king anymore. He can father another one, or declare his successor. The way it's worded makes it sound like anyone without an heir cannot be king, which is silly. Robert had no heir when he became king.
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The Robert is a false analogy simply because at the time of the Rebellion, Robert was young and unmarried and had two brothers besides. Stannis has no brothers, he's also old and he's married. In other words far more uncertain proposition.
The main thing is if Stannis wants to be King or if he wants to save Westeros and then become King as reward. Melisandre says he's the hero who will protect Westeros from the Long Night. If he burns Shireen to keep himself alive to save the Realm, then it makes sense. But in terms of claiming the Iron Throne, killing Shireen is totally destroying himself forever.
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I admit, it's not the same situation but "a king with no heir is no king" is nonsensical.
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It is anything but not nonsensical. The ability to father a heir and have a line of succession is important otherwise whatever promise you made to your allies dies with you. If Stannis dies now, then his army is entirely screwed because they don't have any other leader who can guarantee the promises, money and other stuff that they are owed in exchange for service.
And he still has the ability to father an heir. Or he can clearly name a successor.
Having an heir already is obviously better, but it's hardly necessary.
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Well, I don't care too much for the Idiot Ball post, so I am okay with taking it off for now. It's just that its opposite of what Stannis does at the same time in the books and its weird to see logic, characterization and social pressures rewritten for cheap melodrama.
Let's wait till the season ends.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. It's messed up and shortsighted (both In-Universe and especially by the writers), but it's just not Idiot Ball.
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Calling necessary maybe is not the right word for it, but if he doesn't have one, the moment Stannis goes under, everyone will begin fighting for the Throne. Again. Stannis characterization (and develpoment) so far has been of a man that cares for the realm as a whole, considering that if he betrays his wife he will father a bastard, and how hard it is for his wife to sire any child (remember the babies in jar scene?), then yes, it could be considered Idiot Ball, in the least for the lack of forethought about this.
- Ass Pull: Yes, it may have been referenced before this episode, but the fact that Ramsay was able to sabotage Stannis's food stores, siege equipment, weapons and kill about 200 horses - all with only 20 men - and ride away again without being spotted, let alone caught, is ludicrous and unbelievable. The uselessness of the guards is really just a Hand Wave, and it specifically contrives the situation to force Stannis to commit Human Sacrifice.
Does it strain believability? Sure. But it's not an Ass Pull. In narrative terms, Ramsay's raid was guaranteed to be successful. And burning Shireen had already been discussed. Ass Pull requires something to be totally out of left field, not for it to be unpopular.
I do think Diabolus ex Machina certainly fits, but an Ass Pull it ain't.
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Pulled this for a few reasons:
- Idiot Ball: Stannis seriously wasn't thinking things through here. Shireen is his only heir, and without one, there's really no point to taking the Iron Throne, and little chance anyone will support him. He's just thrown away his chance at being king, the only thing he's wanted for four seasons, to win a single battle in a remote region with little political connection to his real goal.
- Though you are right about her being his heir, there is some logic with the rest. The North supporting Stannis is highly important, since they have large numbers and REALLY hate the south right now. Besides, it is important to make sure that the north is united and prepared, with Winter coming and the Long Night, one of the main forefronts of the battle will be the North.
1: Natter. 2: As the natter says, the support of the North is huge to Stannis. Never mind the fact he has to go through the North anyway to march onto King's Landing. 3: It's also not a ball because he's consistently been planning on taking Winterfell for the entire season, no matter the cost. 4: Not having an heir doesn't make him not the king anymore. He can father another one, or declare his successor. The way it's worded makes it sound like anyone without an heir cannot be king, which is silly. Robert had no heir when he became king.
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Pulled this:
Questionable grammar aside, Dorne itself isn't The Scrappy. Doran was always popular, the Sand Snakes are still unpopular. I'm not denying that this is the best scene set in Dorne, but that's still shoehorning it into Rescued from the Scrappy Heap. A subplot isn't a character and can't be The Scrappy.
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