— of that’s the metric, then that can be removed.
—I can see where you come from, can’t really do anything, myself, sorry.
— We already have other pages that point out the whole Broly situation, and mind you DBM’s Broly isn’t s creators pet for just getting more power and focus, it’s for getting more power and focus with the main justification for it being “”He’s cool” While also not developing him outside those points.
— I’d say let’s just return the asspull entries to normal.
— Thank you for understanding
— Yeah, I'm not sure how to do it myself but thought I should mention it in case someone else who can sees this conversation
— That makes sense and sounds fair
— Done
The They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character, They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot, and What an Idiot entries are all super long, with lots of bullet points. Could we get them their own pages, just like Hilarious in Hindsight?
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I feel that a new entry should be added to Rescued from the Scrappy Heap for U16 Bra. Many people don't like her, but the latest plot development where she gets humiliated by Ginyu has been very well-received. Thoughts?
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That would be closer to Author's Saving Throw.
It's not that people have stopped disliking her, it's that people are happy to see her get taken down a peg. Big difference. She could also qualify for Take That, Scrappy!
EDIT: I see you've already added it. As I said, your writeup doesn't fit Rescued from the Scrappy Heap at all, and there's already an entry for it in RFTSH so I'm just going to cut it.
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I feel there should be a new bullet for Captain Ginyu added to the Magnificent Bastard entry, simply because he completely dominated his own universe for decades and then pulled off a sneaky swap.
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In the Asspull, Broken Base, Internet Backdraft, They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot, and What An Idiot sections, there is a lot of criticism for the Bra vs. Cold fight. From what I've seen, much of this stems from people's opinions that Bra is a Creator's Pet. While I agree that she is Base-Breaking and definitely The Scrappy, I think those five points should be revised in light of the twist that Cold is Ginyu and switches with Bra, effectively stealing the win. This shows that Salagir was planning on Bra's defeat all along, and that many of her "Asspull" powers and moves not only didn't make her win, but came back to bite her in the end.
Also, I vote that an Author's Saving Throw entry be added regardless, because this development has been very positively received by the fandom.
Word of God says Buu isn't alone in his universe. He didn't absorb everyone, just people with knowledge or power. Should we remove him fron the Complete Monster entry?
A few items of discussion:
— By what metric was it determined Majin Bra should be a Captain Obvious reveal? As of the posting of this comment, page 1576—one page before the reveal on page 1577—has 253 English comments. Of those comments, and disregarding troll posts, 59 commenters said the mysterious new Majin was Bra, whereas 108 said it was someone other than Bra or hedged their bets by saying it could also be Cell or Vegito or something. This is literally one page before the reveal, when it's as obvious as it's going to get before it's revealed, and we still have twice as many people not believing Majin Bra was going to happen as we have those who did. 33% for, 67% against. This is not excluding the months, if not years, of Majin rebellion where many commenters believed it wasn't going to happen. If the majority of the fanbase (>50%) had been saying Majin Bra was going to be a thing, it'd be more reasonable to say it's a Captain Obvious reveal, but this is not the case. This designation also depends on the assumption that Majin Bra was intended to be a plot twist and not a clear, well-foreshadowed event like Goku going Super Saiyan in the Namek Saga or Majin Buu getting released. Majin Bra is, at best, an I Knew It!.
— The YMMV page has extremely long They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character, They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot and Canon Defilement entries. I think the former two should get their own page and the latter wouldn't hurt to get its own either.
— The designation of Broly as a Creator's Pet is based on him being overpowered compared to his original Toei counterpart and his increased screentime. If Broly is going to be kept in the Creator's Pet entry it would make sense to at least include a Hilarious in Hindsight entry saying that Toriyama later gave Broly a buff himself, as well as an entire movie just about him, showing that Broly favoritism isn't Salagir-exclusive.
Other issues, like mentioning Gohan in the Ginyu Asspull entry, were not there originally. To be honest I put them there as damage control but I am happy to restore the entries to what they were before.
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