Late reply, but no. That's not it, whatever it is.
(edit) She's listed as an Audience Surrogate, and that seems to fit better.
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Most movies don't have two levels of reality (and a doubled fourth wall). The Matrix, Inception, Noises Off and Wreck-It Ralph are the only ones that spring to mind. Show Within a Show skirts the edges of what you're getting at, but I don't know of a trope for "characters inside the Show but outside the Show Within A Show."
I'm considering adding this to the Shout-Out section: those two "adult" male nerds who hog the Sugar Rush machine look a hell of a lot like a pair of bronies...
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I STRONGLY disagree. So they're male nerds playing a stereotypical-girl-thematic game, so what? It's a racing game, above all. Maybe they're just competetive gamers. What details, specifically, would connect them to the brony fandom?
Not to mention that at least one person has had this experience in an arcade or at a cybercafe. Yes, I've seen people get testy about freaking Initial D.
edit: Oh, My Little Pony's Hate Dumb thinks liking stuff for girls is super bad and wrong. To this day, it never ceases to amaze me how much people get upset/slaverishly defensive over a friggin' pony show.
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Well, you have a point. There ARE two guys into something commonly viewed as a girl's game and/or cartoon. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from with that.
Oh, you know those bronies. They all look alike. They're all the same, with their stereotypicalness. We should have separate drinking fountains for them. ;)
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"Basically, it's wrong and unfitting to use words like "err, sorry" in the articles. It's way too informal even for TV Tropes."
So the "We encourage breezy language" on the home page is an outright lie, is what you're saying.
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They also say that "entries on the main page should sound like they were written by a single author." While you may say "Er, sorry..." and go on to contradict yourself in speech, it's not something you generally do in a written form.
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I pulled the following example, due to it using categories from Four-Philosophy Ensemble (despite that trope having its own example right above this one). It can stay pulled until someone more familiar with the trope than I figures out if the protagonists do fit the trope, and how they would be sorted out.
- Four-Temperament Ensemble: Calhoun (The Rational), Ralph (The Idealist), Felix (The Guardian), and Vanellope (The Artisan).
Can someone help me? I remember the high-score list at the movie's end having a (previous?) high score of something like 19832002 — maybe not exactly that, but something that's obviously a thinly-disguised year range. But what's the actual "score" and what does the year range represent?
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19332012, so I'm guessing someone born in 1933 died in 2012. No idea who, though.
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could it have been 19382012? 1938 was when the first Disney movie came out, Snow White. that;'s my guess.
Bottomless Mags is also averted - Calhoun has to discard her assault rifle and go to her pistol when holding the Cy Bugs off in Sugar Rush.
Is Artistic Licence - Gun Safety in as averted? Keep a close eye on Calhoun - you'll notice she maintains weapon safety (her trigger finger outside trigger guard unless aimed and intending to fire)...
I was reading the Alternative Character Interpretation trope for the Sugar Rush Racers and think it's a little of both. One the one hand they're truly sorry for how they acted due to their memories being locked up. But on the other hand they're also afraid that they now in big trouble with the true head of their game.
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I sort of want to think that as well, but I have a problem. There's something I thought about with that. If the other racers really are nice kids who don't have Fantastic Racism against glitches, it wouldn't have been enough for Turbo to change their recognition of Vanellope. He would also have had to change their personalities and beliefs. (Brrr.) Do we have any indication that they were nice (other than that the game they're in would suggest it)?
Calling it now. Brixar or something similar is gonna rip this off one of these days.
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When Calhoun and Felix first meet, he compliments the HD in her face, to which she replies, "Flattery don't charge these batteries, civilian." Is this a vibrator reference (and thus a case of Getting Crap Past the Radar), or am I just dirty minded?
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Just checking. I'm sure things got a little filthy between takes; one of the V As is Sarah Silverman, after all.
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Hollywood Hacking here is actually more realistic than you might think. I'll try to explain as best as i can.
Games are programmed on multiple levels. Like most programs, but games often have more levels of abstraction. There's OS, then above it are various libraries, frameworks and stuff that does various basic tasks (like drawing, producing sounds, accepting input). And then there's the game engine programmed on top of these. All of the above are real programs, with source code and all.
And then there's the game itself, programmed on top of the game engine. Often by different people. And then there are game developers, who may not be hardcore programmers at all - they mostly use the toolset that the game gives them to design the experience. And then they may create some stuff for playtesters to go around faster (i.e. built-in cheats). Game developers themselves may also leave themselves a tool (i.e. a console) to maintain more-or-less direct access to the engine (without being able to modify the engine) at play time.
Game devs often use object-oriented programming, and, in fact, OOP often starts at engine level, because OOP is perfect for simulations, and nearly all games are simulation tasks.
Falluot New Vegas is a good example - Gambryo engine was made by one dev team, then licensed to Behesda, who did something with it to produce Oblivion, and did it again in Fallout, then Obsidian got a chance to make New Vegas on top of it, but they didn't have as much power over it as Bethesda had, and had, at some points, to work around its weirdness. And modders have even less freedom in changing things in the game.
Anyway, the combination of OOP and increasing levels of abstraction mean that for developers at the top level may work not with the source code, but with object diagrams of some sort, and their programming may boil down to connecting existing things in creative ways to achieve their goals (it's never as simple as that, but hey...).
King Candy didn't remove Vanellope's code - because he couldn't, or didn't know how, because he didn't really work with the source code (he says he did, but what does he know? He's a racer, not a programmer...). He just gained access to one of the top layers of the cake. Certainly lower than simple cheats (which were spoofed by him using a Konami code), roughly as low as a developer console, but not at the engine level.
He just rearranged the game objects and their connections in a way that left Vanellope out of the gameplay - which is the reason why players never see her anymore. But she still exists as a game object, and when you're outside of player's code path (when game isn't being played, or when you're not a player), you can interact with her. If he had source code access, severing her connections at source level would have made her non-existing (linker would have removed her code thinking it "unused"; and he couldn't have done direct modification on a binary to avoid the linking step - that's far beyond his level of expertise), but he couldn't do _that_.
That's why Vanellope can still race outside of normal gameplay, and why she glitches - her gameplay connections are undefined at the top level, but down below she's still part of the racing game.
The fact that her reaching the finish line resets her to her normal state is difficult to explain though. Most likely it's a failsafe that the developers built into the game, in case of some... well... glitches - if an ill-defined object reaches the critical code point, an exception is thrown, and the object is somehow re-set, to prevent crashing (it's how the exception is handled). The fact that this doesn't wipe _everything_ clean (including foreign objects, such as Ralph), but only the parts that needed repairing, means that the game was programmed by some _very_ smart people. However, this also means that some parts of the core gameplay were mis-placed into the engine (i.e. she spanned multiple levels of abstraction - that's bad). Which is also why King Candy couldn't reach them and overwrite them. Instead of that he worked around that bug/feature by ensuring that Vanellope never reaches that part of the program (never races, and never wins). Again, very realistic - it's something a game modder, who has only surface access to the game, would do. However, that conflicts with her still glitching _after_ being re-set. Or maybe the programmers didn't anticipate things going _this_ wrong, and the failsafe couldn't completely repair the game.
If the Nicelanders hate Ralph, do you think they hate the ducks that hurt Felix, as well?
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Is there any particular reason there are several tropes for King Candy that are formatted so they only appear while editing the page? My only guess is that someone had some reason to think spoilering them out wouldn't be adequate, but I can't figure out what that reason could be for the life of me.
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Those are so-called Zero Context Examples, and have thus been deemed useless to readers until further elaborated upon. However, rather than outright deleting them, tropers have "commented them out", to give fellow editors a chance to fix them.
It has nothing to do with them being spoilers, and by all means, add the necessary context and then (and only then!) "un-comment" them.
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I think the Made of Indestructium trope about the Jawbreaker is also a bit of Fridge Brilliance, since even in the normal world of food Jawbreakers can't be easily broken. Hence their name.
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Should we update the pictures on the characters page? They've got official art for the main characters now.
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The Spanish-language title is "Detona Ralph" - Is this a pun on Daytona, as in racing (which would tie-in to Sugar Rush)?
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Actually, that's Portuguese, meaning "detonate". Nothing to with the Daytona 500 or Nascar. The Spanish title is "Ralph el Demoledor" ("Ralph the Demolisher"), a little closer to the English one.
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Okay, we have Zan's inclusion in the bad guy support group listed as both "Did Not Do the Research" -and- "Shown Their Work"...which is it?
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Perhaps it's another trope all together and they willingly made this mistake in order to give Zangief that speaking cameo. From the trailer it seems like after the group meeting Ralph develops the idea of game jumping which puts him in the different original games. This could mean that the villaing group meeting is the only place in which Ralph encounters and speaks with established video game characters. So perhaps being Zangief fans they really wanted to give him a speaking part and where willing to make him a bad guy.
Purists would rather have Balrog (Boxer) . . .
I’m just that kind of guy, you know?
Actually, Word of God is that one of the creators had a personal vendetta against the character as a kid, because he was so hard to beat. Zangief's 'villainy' is actually an In-Joke.
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I recognize Satan from the Bad-Anon support group as a villain from Ghosts 'N' Goblins, should I add that under cameos?
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I thought it was either the horned reaper from dungeon keeper or diablo?
The fact it's pronounced "Sah-teen" makes it more likely to be a reference to Satan's Hollow (an obscure arcade game which tried to escape Moral Guardians by claiming to the name was pronounced differently to the Biblical Satan) where he was the boss enemy at the end of every round.
Here is my new topic: There are 2 official ships in Wreck it Ralph. One, obviously is between St Calhoun and Felix.The other is between Vanellope and Rancis in the book One Sweet Race which takes place after the movie.
If there is a sequal, and word is already that Boxoffice was high enough to warrant one, we'll undoubtedly see more of Calhoun/Felix's relationship in the movie. There's a strong sense of continuity in Toy Story, and likely there will be here too. But I'm not so sure about the Vanellope/Rancis shipping. Likely as anything, they'll just ignore it in the next film, because not that many people will have read the book, even though technically it's canonical. What do you all think, becuase I want more Vanellope/Rancis? They'll probably have Ralph, Felix, Vanellope and Sgt.Calhoun visited other games, possibly online ones. But will Vanelope drag Rancis along? I kind of doubt it, but I'm hoping she will.
The Real Women Don't Wear Dresses trope on Vanellope is incorrect as she is wearing a skirt made of Reese's wrappers normally.
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Sugar Rush game itself I think the racer can be reset, but suffer massive time penalty since every dot on the racing screen displayed when Ralph was fighting the Cy-Bug still moving. It just the actual racers are not show on screen since it is not essential. But yeah, other than that, its a pretty realistic game, albeit more exacgerated since the physics in that world is pretty flimsy.........
Actually that was comment for the Characters Trope that I also put here. Look at the picture of Vanellope's normal outfit and you'll see what I mean there.
On the Characters page, why is Mario listed in the Cameos list? It's been established that he won't appear in the film! ..... UNLESS....
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Mario gets a vocal cameo in the form of Fix-It Felix referring to him arriving "fashionably late, as is the norm." (It's actually Ralph.)
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I'm astounded at how detailed pages we have for projects that haven't even been released yet.
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Yet more posters
◊ have been released
◊, this time displaying all of the main characters plus the licensed ones in the background. Shall we put up one of these?
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Can we come up with something for the caption that's not just a list of tropes? It's not informative or witty the way it is IMO.
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The blond girl with the glasses appears in the trailer both as wondering where Ralph is and later playing Hero's Duty while Ralph is in it.
Judging by that, it seems like her role is that of the "real world" character following the events in the "fictional world".
I'm sure there is a name for this trope but i just can't find it.
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