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Dingbot Since: Feb, 2012
Feb 14th 2014 at 2:03:41 PM •••

Would Zoom's trick of manipulating Barry into altering the timeline qualify as a Batman Gambit or Xanatos Gambit? Zoom did trick Flash into doing something that Zoom knew would have consequences, but the trouble is Zoom wouldn't have known for certain just what would have happened when Flash changed the timeline. There would seem to be a chance of failure—things might have turned out better for Flash—so maybe it could have been a Batman Gambit, but it also looked like Zoom knew that any alteration to the timeline would lead to a crapsack world no matter what, so that would qualify his action as a Xanatos, instead.

What say you, tropers?

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NNinja Since: Sep, 2015
Dec 6th 2016 at 2:59:36 PM •••

I'm not sure Zoom had planned it in the first place. As far as i remember Barry did it on his own. Zoom was happy with the result, but unlest he wanted a result like this this doesn't qualify as a gambit at all.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Dec 7th 2016 at 7:23:25 AM •••

I'd say it's safe to say Zoom planned it. His last lines to Flash were clearly what caused Flash to try to change the past, and it can't be a coincidence that his big attack was on the anniversary of his mother's death.

I do think it might be a bit of Xanatos Roulette since there's a chance that the changes would be benign (or even better), but I think it's pretty safe that Zoom knew that he was pushing Barry to saving his mother.

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Fett Since: Jun, 2010
May 14th 2014 at 7:45:32 AM •••

When the Flash gets a flash back (no pun intended) to the Justice League-Starro fight, the FIRST flashback (to the original timeline) has Cyborg along with the rest of the League, filling the role that would normally go to the Manhunter. It's the SECOND flashback (to the Flashpoint! timeline) that shows Cyborg only. So it appears to me that it's entry under Adaptation Distillation is still valid.

VoidKnightsc Since: Jun, 2013
Jul 31st 2013 at 10:06:51 AM •••

When did Wonder Woman "mail" Mera's head to Aquaman? We only get to see her holding her head, then cut to Aquaman in front of a complete corpse.

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UchihaKat Since: Nov, 2011
Aug 4th 2013 at 1:24:12 PM •••

I think people mis-read the scene. The way the body looked under the sheet, I think she actually sent back the headless body.

I think a better question is why Mera went after Diana instead of Arthur. I just... ah. These characters are too awesome to have infidelity be the reason everyone went to war...

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