It's the Incredibile. Seriously. Not only is it called that in the DVD bonus content of The Incredibles, it's also called that by name in Incredibles 2 itself. "Incredimobile" isn't a thing.
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The problem with using "Incredibile" on the page is that it looks like a misspelled "Incredible" and it's not until you read the context of the example that it becomes clear that its spelling is intentional and it's referring to the car.
"Incredibile" may work in the movie where it's pronounced and thus stands out but visually on a page that includes text like "Mr. Incredible drove his Incredibile through the streets" and it becomes quite confusing.
The Pixar wiki lists several AKAs for Mr. Incredible's car including: Incredimobile; Incredible; Incredobile; Incredicar,
I think we should come to a consensus on what to call the Incredi-Car and use it consistently in all the examples. I'm personally fine with the "Incredimobile" but am open to other preferences. However, I vote vehemently against "Incredibile" because it's just such a poor and confusing word.
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How about we just call it what it was called in the movie? You know, the name that's used by the people who actually created it? Regardless of how it looks? Because, y'know, we didn't make the movie. We don't get to change that name just because we want to.
Actually, to a degree we can. If we discuss it civilly and realize a term used vocally causes confusion in print, we can come to a consensus for purposes of clarity, we can alter a term for purposes of discussion and make a note of what it's officially called in the movie.
It could even be as simple as writing it as "Incredi-bile" to honor the official name but making it more distinct in the example text.
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The term is used in print in the extras of the first movie's DVD and it works just fine there. Presumably, if there are any text-based tie-ins to the movie, or toys that have the name printed in text on the box, they will use that term in print as well. If it's good enough for the creators to use in print, why shouldn't we use it that way, too? It will avoid confusing people when we refer to something as some other name, not to mention creating the impression that we didn't pay close-enough attention to the movie to know what the thing was actually called.
I've already explained why the term "Incredibile" causes problems, especially from an editor's perspective (it really confuses spell-check for instance and causes fights with auto-correct) and if we choose another related term and make it clear on the trope pages why we've chosen that term it won't leave the impression that we didn't pay close-enough attention.
If the consensus is to stay with "Incredibile", I'm ok with that and I'm hoping some other tropers will weigh in on this topic.
Also, while "Incredibile" is the official term, are you 100% certain that there's absolutely no other term used in any Word of God or All There in the Manual or Marketing sources that could serve as a viable alternative?
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If you can show me where an alternate name is presented in a word-of-God source, rather than a fan wikia that just collects the various other things fans have called it, I'd like to see it.
I think Incredibile is a great Punny Name, myself.
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It sounds like you have a great liking for this term.
Given that no one else has weighed in with any other opinions, I say we let Incredibile stand until such time as there's a consensus calling for a better term.
Even if there were any other All There in the Manual names like "Incredimobile", Incredibile trumps them all in canonicity because it's the name used in the film, so I say we go with that.
I do sympathize with people who don't like the way it looks in print note , but that is what they named the thing, and disregarding that just feels wrong.
... yes, it's Incredibile. How is this a discussion?
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It's a discussion 'cuz some people didn't like the way "Incredibile" looked in print and wanted to change it to something that looked nicer.
I have a small contention with the death of the Deavors' father. His calls to Gazerbeam and Fironic didn't go unanswered because of the Superhero Relocation Act and them being in hiding. We know from the first film that Gazerbeam was still supering illegally, even as he lobbied in his civilian guise to help supers.
They didn't answer their batphones because Syndrome, unbeknownst to everyone at the time (and by the point of this movie Dicker, his bosses and the family) had murdered them.
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I don't think your hypothesis holds up well.
First, it conflicts with the statement Winston made in "Incredibles 2" that said superheros had just been made illegal which implied that's why Gazerbeam and Fironic didn't answer the phone.
It's possible that Syndrome was recruiting/killing heroes for his Omnidroid program before the Superhero Relocation Act went into effect, but the order of deaths we see on Syndrome's computer is: universal man /psycwave / everseer / macroburst / phylange / blazestone / downburst / hypershock / apogee / blitzerman / tradewind / vectress / gazerbeam / stormicide / gamma jack .
It seems unlikely that 12 supers could have been killed prior to Gazerbeam by Syndrome while supers were still active and no one noticed. The implication of "The Incredibles" is that Syndrome was able to kill off the supers without anyone noticing because they were underground and didn't talk to each other anymore.
Finally, if Gazerbeam was already dead by the time that the Superhero Relocation Act went into effect, it doesn't make sense that 15 years later, Bob would be reading a newspaper article that Simon J. Palladino had gone missing. It would have been very old news by that point.
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Yeah, by the time of the Superhero Relocation Act, Syndrome was still a teenager. Maybe a Teen Genius, but it's still implied it took him years to build his fortune, and then start the Omnidroid program. Gazerbeam's death, indeed, must have happened some 15 years after the Act was voted.
Thirding. The timeline is vague, but your theory still contradicts it.
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The entry under Canon Discontinuity mentions that audiences need only know what happened in the first film and in Jack-Jack Attack, and I don't agree with the latter. What happens in the short that isn't established in either Incredibles?
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The main thing I can think of is we are actually shown the Agent Dicker has a mind-erase device he uses on Kari and since the less-than perfect Laser guided amnesia is a plot point regarding Violet and Tony, the existence of the machine and its use was probably considered a necessary item to know so it didn't just come out of left field in Incredible 2.
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Perhaps it could be phrased a little better, but I interpreted the write-up as meaning that Jack-Jack Attack isn't discontinuous, but is still in continuity with the sequel.
There isn't anything you need to know from JJA to enjoy I2, as they don't want to turn off people who never got the DVD set so didn't see JJA. (Remember, the amnesia device is shown in The Incredibles itself, where it's used on Mr. Huph.)
That said, there are a couple of clever little nods to JJA within I2: the way Dicker's interrogation of Tony is structured extremely similarly to the interrogation of Kari in JJA, right down to both of them wishing they could forget the whole thing and Rick saying "You will," or the way Edna observes that Jack-Jack really seems to like Mozart.
Yeah, nothing from JJA is needed at all. As RM points out, mind-wiping technology has been established since the beginning of the first movie.
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The memory device is not shown in "The Incredibles". Dicker mentions that having memories erased is part of expenses that are incurred each time Bob blows his cover like he just did with Huph, but the machine itself is never shown until JJA.
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I felt that Evelyn looked an awful like Roxanne Ritchie from Megamind. Is there a trope for this? And I am not the only one Evelyn deavor from Inc 2 looks like Roxanne Ritchie from Megamind:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Thafnine/status/1007608745415860225
https://mobile.twitter.com/KamriNoel/status/1007841419824914432
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/623467142140173286/
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3606756/trivia?ref_=m_tt_trv_trv
Not sure off the top of my head. FYI, the best place for this type of question is the "Trope Finder" area off the main page.
I've summarized your question and posted a query over there.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=71557&type=lnf
Let's see what turns up.
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Brick Jokes, Callbacks and gags: There are several items listed as brick jokes that really aren't.
A call back is relevant reference to an event taking place earlier than the timeline of the present story. A Callback and Continuity Nod are similar as they both reference something that occurred earlier in the timeline. The distinction is a call back brings back an element that is actually relevant again whereas a Continuity Nod simply refers to something that happened earlier.
A brick joke is a subtrope of the callback, but it has the additional condition that the initial scene sets up the audience to expect some kind of resolution or punchline that doesn't occur until much later. Should the resolution not occur the audience would feel there's a sense of a "loose end" or What Happened to the Mouse? at play. The key distinction is the sense of closure.
In the case of the "theme songs", Winston, Frozone, Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl partake in singing their old songs to reflect Winston's sense of nostalgia about the Supers. Later when the polished versions appear in the end-credits, it's a callback to this scene. If the polished versions never appeared in the movie at all, the earlier Winston scene would not feel unresolved as it was pretty much self-contained. Thus it's not a brick joke.
The "water feature" scenario is similar. The original setup and joke... "living room has lots of hidden water ponds underneath, Dash plays with remote and family almost falls in" is complete unto itself. The joke is established and has a payoff. When the same situation occurs later and Bob actually does fall in, it's an example of a Chekhov's Gag (since it only occurs once more instead of many times it's not a Running Gag)
Only the example of the Underminer's mole machine reappearing in the end-credits really qualifies as a brick joke.
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Is Helen's line "I don't wanna die" a Shout-Out to Smarter Every Day or not? Personally, I say yes, because it's such an unusual line that's made in the exact same circumstances. Thoughts?
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I don't think it's an unusual line at all. The Other Wiki lists at least two songs by that title, and it's fairly common as a stock phrase — Hesitant Sacrifice used to be called I Don't Want to Die, and many of the examples are still worded around that (eg. "says this")
It's all about context. A singer singing the line? Sure, pretty common. A superhero, who has presumably been in many life-threatening situations before? Less believable. And under such similar circumstances (hypoxic, will die if they don't take action)? Personally, I just feel that it's one too many coincidences to have been accidental.
I teleported home last night / With Ron and Sid and Meg / Ron stole Meggy's heart away / And I got Sidney's leg - Douglas Adams
The shout out tends to yield a high number of erroneous "false positive" examples. So much so that the definition itself contains the warning "Remember that a Shout-Out must be deliberate on the part of the authors; simply resembling something from another work is not sufficient, and the very existence of tropes and popular culture means that it's natural for resemblances to appear without any intent on the part of the authors."
Because a shout out has to be deliberate and intentional, it helps to have a Word of God reference to support it in cases where it's not 100% obvious that it's intentional.
In this case a character facing death saying "I don't wanna die" is pretty ubiquitous and to tie it to a specific occurrence in a web series is debatable unless the some kind of Word of God to support it.
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Personally, I still think it's far to coincidental to have been an accident, but I will bow to the will of the majority until further information comes along.
I teleported home last night / With Ron and Sid and Meg / Ron stole Meggy's heart away / And I got Sidney's leg - Douglas Adams
I'm going to go with the "false positive" side. Granted, I haven't seen the web series, so I don't know how similar this is to that, but "I don't wanna die" note is about as generic a phrase as you can get.
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We've been having an issue regarding "Incredibles 2" and the Curse Cut Short trope.
When Bob has discovers that Jack-Jack has powers and Frozone is called over to help, there's a scene where Jack-Jack vanishes into another dimension and then transforms into a demon when denied a cookie.
Both times Frozone (voiced by national treasure Samuel L. Jackson) delivers the Curse Cut Short... "what the f**k".
The issue we're encountering is where the curse is cut short. Some tropers are hearing it cut off at "what the" while others are insisting they can hear the "F"-sound so it's "what the f...".
I've listened the MP4 file I keep on my PC over dozen times, with headphones, even varying the play-back speed, but I only hear "what the".
At first I thought it may be a case of troper's personal expectations that Sam Jackson is the type who would squeeze as much of the curse in as possible so they are hearing the "F" because they expect it.
But then it struck me that maybe there's an audio track variation between the various releases of the movie say the Blu-Ray, DVD or Web download versions?
They did tweak the movie post-release to tone down the flashing lights sequence in the Elasti-girl / Screenslaver fight, so maybe some versions did include the "F" sound.
I'm looking to get a consensus so there's an ATT reference I can use to try and put this issue to rest.
So tropers... Is it "What the" or "What the F..."? If you can, please include what version of the movie you're referencing (ie Blu-Ray, DVD, Webdownload, original strobe, toned-down strobe)
thanks.