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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
Apr 5th 2019 at 1:01:22 AM •••

I am pretty sure the entry for The Afterafterlife is not an example. Though in the link provided the director talks about a "beyond the beyond", he may only be referring to the afterlife itself. There is no beyond the beyond (afterlife after the afterlife) shown or implied in the movie. When characters die in the Land of the Dead, they are gone with no mentioning of another level of existence past it.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Apr 5th 2019 at 8:10:29 AM •••

Yeah, it's Cessation of Existence or Deader than Dead.

IIRC, The Book of Life could qualify, because after the Land of the Dead is the Land of the Forgotten, but Coco just has characters fade away entirely.

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BabyCharmander Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 5th 2019 at 6:06:38 PM •••

He refers specifically to the Final Death leading to a "beyond the beyond," and refers to the Lot D as a "way station"/temporary place. The "way station" part especially implies that it's a limbo-like place where you stop before going to the next part of the afterlife. So yes, I think the trope qualifies.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
Apr 6th 2019 at 2:28:42 AM •••

If the creator says one thing but does not include a hint to it in his work, is this still the trope or something like All There in the Manual?

BabyCharmander Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 6th 2019 at 11:22:11 AM •••

In that case I suppose it could be. I believe it should be mentioned somewhere regardless, whether under one trope or the other.

PaulA Since: Jan, 2010
Feb 11th 2018 at 5:04:22 PM •••

  • Black-and-Gray Morality:
    • Ernesto de la Cruz is one of the few Pixar villains who is legitimately cruel and evil. He murdered his best friend just to get ahead and shows no care for anyone.
    • Miguel and Hector are good people but it does make it clear they have flaws which makes them fit closer to the grey area.

It seems to me that this is stretching the definition of the trope unreasonably. Miguel and Hector have realistic human flaws, but they're basically good people.

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Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Dec 3rd 2017 at 8:51:13 PM •••

Pulled for natter:

  • "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot: Assuming that Rivera wasn’t Imelda’s maiden name and she didn’t go back to using it out of spite after her husband left her If Héctor had introduced himself to Miguel as Héctor Rivera the truth probably would have come out a lot sooner.
    • In Mexico women doesn't change their last name when they get married. So it becomes kinda tricky when mexican fans tried to understand why everyone on Miguel's family was a Rivera along with the musician that ran away if also last names get inherited via the father, not the mother.

I'm unfamiliar with Mexican naming conventions, so before re-adding, please clarify if Hector introducing himself by his full name (if his full name is Hector Rivera to begin with) could have helped the situation.

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Skylite Since: Dec, 2012
Dec 27th 2017 at 6:47:25 PM •••

I imagine the family took the Rivera name to keep with the branding of their shoes, whether that suits name and marriage tradition or not.

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