Someone is removing the No Real Life Examples, Please! / In-Universe Examples Only tropes entries on the pretext NAR's premise is reporting (allegedly) real stories, so since it's about real life, those examples should be deleted.
According to the first paragraph of No Real Life Examples, Please!, I think it is against the rule:
"Note that a work portraying real life is still a work—such examples are about how the work portrays real life, not about real life itself."
NAR isn't literally Real Life, but consists in (again, alleged) redacted testimony submitted by actors or witnesses on a website. I think it should qualify as a work (though a non-fiction one).
There's no similar mention on the In-Universe Examples Only, but from the same reasoning, those entries actually are in-universe examples used by a work, so it wouldn't break the rules.
(off topic: I don't know why, but I'm unable to correctly use text formatting and links in the Discussion pages)
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Reversed that and added notes to all main trope pages that this is a work portraying real life. Funny thing is, the user only did it to the NAR Tropes A to F page.
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I only did A to F because that is as far as I got last night.
In short: websites are not works, and websites are not creators. The stories they host are created by the people who wrote them. Those stories portray real life (allegedly, of course— we have no way of verifying which are really more real than others). Those are being applied to real people and their real lives as if they are characters in a narrative. NRLEP applies.
However, I will admit I did not give a close read to every single example to see if they were troping elements of the storytelling, like how the author uses pacing or language, because the majority of them amount to "this customer fits this trope about being evil/an idiot" or "this customer is carrying out a villainous plot trope". I basically was comparing each trope name against the NRLEP and IUEO lists and cutting based on that. I am up for discussing cases where the trope is being used for the storytelling and not the real people's real lives.
There is further discussion on the Website cleanup thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14116047640A25319600&page=21#comment-501
Edited by ImmiThrax Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.
From Tropes A to F, with the disclaimer that the discussion bug is going to make this look super weird. We may want to discuss on the forums, though, since discussion is so frustrating and to get more eyes on it?
These are NRLEP and being applied to the real people in the stories. They amount to "a real person is this trope" or "a real person acted out this trope", meaning they do not fall into examples "about how the work portrays real life, not about real life itself". All of these, I feel confident should be deleted. Some have additional problems like Weblinks Are Not Examples or wrong links.
- Abusive Parents
- All Women Are Lustful
- Bad Boss
- Bad People Abuse Animals
- Belief Makes You Stupid
- Beware the Nice Ones
- Big Eater
- Buxom Is Better
- Cannot Tell Fiction from Reality
- Captain Obvious
- Casual Kink
- Comically Missing the Point
- Complaining About Things You Haven't Paid For
- Conspiracy Theorist
- Correction Bait
- Covert Pervert
- Crazy Cat Lady
- Creepy Child
- Deadpan Snarker
- Didn't Think This Through
- Digital Piracy Is Evil
- Dirty Old Man
- Domestic Abuse
- Dramatically Missing the Point
- Dumb Blonde
- Eagleland
- Entitled Bastard
- Everything Is Racist
- Evil Cannot Comprehend Good
- Evil Is Petty
- Evil Twin
- Feeling Oppressed by Their Existence
- Felony Misdemeanor
- Female Misogynist
These I find questionable; they're saying "a real person thought this trope was in play in reality", and using it to frame that person as an idiot and/or an asshole, but I'm not 100% on deleting them:
- Acceptable Professional Targets
- All Men Are Perverts
- Always Chaotic Evil
- Aluminum Christmas Trees (using this to frame a girl as stupid)
- Ambulance Chaser (but "inverted")
- Aristocrats Are Evil (not about a real life evil aristocrat, but using this trope as an insult to a real person)
- Auto Erotica
- Big Brother Is Watching
- Cure Your Gays "inverted"
- Dude Looks Like a Lady
This one I'm okay with keeping since it's being applied to the storyteller escalating their own story:
- From Bad to Worse (however, the link is to the wrong story)
These are just plain misuses of the tropes, even if they weren't NRLEP:
- Animal Wrongs Group
- Based on a Great Big Lie
- Berserk Button
- Brain Bleach (plus first person)
- Compensating for Something
- Evil Brit
And these... I just don't know!:
Edited by ImmiThrax Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.
Prim, proper, and yet so socially awkward
Given that the editor page for the Sister Sites had a notice that it was getting too big, I went and separated them into their own pages.
Edited by kablammin45 "I shall not be foolish again, my dear Gwendolyn!"
Due to a change in how the website works, a whole lot of links no longer go to the correct story on not always right. The links need to be fixed or removed if they go to the wrong places. Also check links on related pages.
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oh, somebody else already noticed it. I didn't need to make this topic.
Isn't this based off Real Life like Fundies Say The Darndest Things which was taken off this wiki?
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Most of the links on these pages seem to be defunct/incorrect, thanks to the recent restructuring of the website. To give an example, this link
on the Nightmare Fuel page (Which should link to "He's Telling a Shaggy Dog Story") instead redirects to this story ("Living in 1984"). The only reason for this seems to be their sharing a numerical ID, 34460.
I was literally coming here to say the same thing. How do we rectify this?
Maybe this happened when NAR got updated, so somehow all (or at least most) of the links somehow got messed up
That's exactly when it happened. Now all of their links are formatted differently. Either we're going to have to find the exact stories we want and fix each individual link, or we need to just remove the links entirely. Either way it's annoying.
There might be some more adverse changes needing some digging.
https://notalwaysfriendly.com/getting-pikkle-naming/ & https://notalwaysfriendly.com/getting-pikkle-naming/41100 (grabbed from the Awesome page) redirects to https://notalwaysright.com/friendly/ for me. The correct link is https://notalwaysright.com/getting-into-a-pikkle-with-the-naming/31099/ (Apologies for the links, can't figure out how on Earth to do.)
Yeah literally all the links redirect to random pages thanks to a massive overhaul on the site
"Life's like a movie, write your own ending. Keep believing, keep pretending."-Jim Henson
Mars Jenkar
The Not Always Working folder got so big it glitched the folder tags. I've split the folder into two, but I've long suspected it needs its own page, as it seems to be very popular here.
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That does seem to be the case. I'll move the Not Always Working examples into their own pages.
What exactly is the difference between the normal site and the "unfiltered" site? The normal site isn't exactly above pointing out when some asshole uses a derogatory slur, and any swears (even the less harsh ones like "hell" and "damn") on the "unfiltered" site are still asterisked out.
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Editorial control, picking the most entertaining anecdotes and fixing the spelling and grammar, or at least that's it seem to me.
Does anyone else think this site has changed a lot? It seems to have gone from "funny stories about idiot customers" to "stories that show what a great customer I am".
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There have been more heartwarming stories lately, yes, but considering how the site works, you'd have to be awfully cynical to assume they're all being submitted by the customers themselves (rewritten from the worker's perspective) purely for their own self-aggrandizement.
Flying a plane is no different from riding a bicycle; it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
Sometimes, you just need a reminder that some customers are willing to stand up against worker-hating psychopaths
Also, it must be said, February's themed giveaway is based around "Awesome Customers", so it makes sense that there'd be a surplus of those types of stories.
Still love 'em, though. Just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy...
Flying a plane is no different from riding a bicycle; it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
Our future is a madhouse
It's not the case of an artistic anything (usually), but exactly "failing X forever", so using redirect names makes more sense, right?
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Of course it does, but just because something makes sense doesn't mean the admins will let it happen. And the admins are so intent on forcing us to see malicious, idiotic, and sometimes deliberate misstemps in history, biology, sociology, etc as "Artistic License" that they've completely replaced the "You Fail 'X' Forever" with "Artistic License" in all applications. If you write that, it will (and if you check, already has been) automatically replaced. You can't even use brackets to work around it... it won't properly show up on the page.
You might even say that the admins Failed Context Forever.
Flying a plane is no different from riding a bicycle; it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
It wouldn't be so much of a problem if people didn't insist that every error ever was an instance of You Fail X Forever, including obscure factoids that only someone truly invested in their field would realize, details that don't matter, and things that were ignored for the sake of narrative quality. Of course, that doesn't apply to this page, but it was so bad on other pages that drastic measures needed to be taken.
If that's the case, I can understand it, but it would have been better served if they split it up into two categories. "Artistic License" for fiction and "You Failed Forever" for nonfiction.
Flying a plane is no different from riding a bicycle; it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
Grin and tonic
Customer: Hi. I'm supposed to get a free pizza because you guys made it wrong last time.
(He gives me his address, which isn’t in the file. I try every possible means to verify his story, and am finally convinced that he's lying.)
(...)
Customer: Well, haven't you ever heard that the customer is always right?
Me: Yes, that's what people say
when they're trying to rip us off. *click*
And? So? Therefore?
Are you suggesting it as a page quote? Complaining about how everything seems repetitive?
It was a page quote, I just put in here so it doesn't get completely lost.
My latest Trope page: Shapeshifting Failure
It seems to me that Humans Are Bastards and Humans Are Morons are being misused here. Correct me if I am wrong - isn't the assumed meaning of these tropes "as compared to / judged by another sentient race"?
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Hence, removed (I am copying the entries here in case somebody wants to rephrase them):
- Humans Are Bastards: The existence of many these customers is proof that this trope is Truth in Television.
- Also a few employers.
- Also, the site contains several examples of "Humans Immediately Assume That All Humans Are Bastards", in which the customer simply assumes that all cashiers, waiters, salespeople, and so forth are lazy, stupid, and/or dishonest. This customer is a good example of this.
- This one is a subversion/inversion of this...
- Also a few employers.
- Humans Are Morons: There are A LOT of stupid people here.
Not That Doctor
Shouldn't this have a Troper Tales section? You know, either for stories like the ones on NAR and stories about the site itself?
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Better take it to the talk page or the forums. Not Always Right is not a trope.
Long live Marxism-Lennonism!
I remember when i was on an archive binge i found a story that, towards the end, had the woman (the customer) say something like "i'm a bit dim" to the employee. I've tried searching but i haven't been able to find it. If anyone knows the one i mean could you maybe post a link for me? Thanks.
Er... I think the website is down. Anyone know if it's temporary or an official shutdown?
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It's alright from my end...
Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
It seems everyone who works at a movie theater and posts on this site has no idea how the MPAA rules work. Does that fall under failing law forever, since it's not really the law?
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I think a more productive way to share this information would to be make a Useful Notes page on how the MPAA rules actually work. Here would be a good place for that.
Edited by SomeGuy See you in the discussion pages.
Mischievous fox
- Just For the Lulz, but every time this troper reads the The Unintelligible example, he pictures him yelling "ENGLITS, MUDHARFECKA, DO YE SPEAKS IT!?"
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