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Phaaz01 JHAkrasia Since: May, 2017
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Apr 18th 2023 at 4:32:56 PM •••

There are several trope entries for the pilot that are written under the assumption that it's a sequel to the events of the webcomic, when it's pretty clear to not be the case to anyone who has read the thing.

Or has read the FAQ on Tracy's website.

[Q. Is the animated film a continuation of the comic? Do I have to read the comic before watching the film? A. Nah, you don’t have to read the comic to understand the film, and vice versa. The animated film is a standalone story that happens outside the canonical timeline of the comic. Reading the comic will provide some extra context for things that happen in the film, though. If you’ve already read the comic, then you’ll also recognize some bits and pieces that were adapted for animation.]

These tropes should be corrected or removed

I'm posting this here because I didn't want to just gut the entire Character Development entry without giving a reason

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Aiguille Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 19th 2023 at 3:41:06 PM •••

That's a more hedge-filled answer than it first appears. Notice how the first of two questions goes unanswered in favor of the second, where Butler provides a neat description of the trope Loose Canon, (i.e. This material is separated from the main continuity, usually in the form of special episodes, a Non-Serial Movie, or even Bonus Material...None of this will be referenced in the canon, but it will not be contradicted outright either. In other words, it's a standalone episode.) It also "happens outside of the canonical timeline of the comic." That canonical timeline has yet to leave May of 1927. (Herman Hapfamscheel's obit is dated Sept. 12 1927, Isadora Duncan's death occurred Sept 14th.) In order to get out of her comic continuity's way, Butler and co gave themselves some breathing room, but that still means that Time Skip and Stealth Sequel apply, with the possible tweak of adding Ambiguous Situation caveats to the entry. Don't be too surprised if Character Development entries get restored when and if the Loose Canon gets tighter post-comic resumption or series pickup.

EDIT: Also, this might be an interesting Enforced Overtook the Manga, for the Trivia page, come to think on it, as Pragmatic Adaptation is one of the listed constraints.

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Phaaz01 Since: May, 2017
Apr 29th 2023 at 7:05:58 PM •••

https://www.youtube.com/live/s6aK7PLOAps?feature=share&t=2227

We should leave a comment at the top of the page to remind people not to add tropes that treat the animation as a sequel, as Tracy just clarified.

Unless there are any objections I'm going to go ahead and do that

Aiguille Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 29th 2023 at 7:41:54 PM •••

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is Tracy Butler saying "we treated it as something that could feasibly happen in the comic...but in its own pocket universe" There are softer Canon Universe tropes that fit here, Loose Canon being closest (A mostly standalone story or event that reasonably fits within the main continuity of a series, but is not outright considered canonical for whatever reason) Too, the above text from the FAQ quotes Butler saying "Reading the comic will provide some extra context for things that happen in the film" which would fit with the comic being Schrödinger's Canon to the film.

If that is the creator speaking, and the FAQ quoted above is her as well, neither totally excludes these more ambiguous, provisional tropes, (created for situations like this) as the author uses commensurately provisional language.

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Phaaz01 Since: May, 2017
Jul 27th 2023 at 7:00:05 AM •••

According to the backerit FAQ:

Will the animated episodes of Lackadaisy you're proposing follow the comic's storyline? Or is this going to be a different story? ''For the most part it will tread along the same path as the comic, but we’re planning to approach some aspects of the story rather differently. We're looking at rearranging the timeline a bit and diving a bit deeper into character backstories, for instance. We'd also very much like to introduce some jazzy musical numbers (not because this intended to be a musical - it's not - but because you can't run a proper speakeasy without live music)! At its heart, it will all be the same story, just altered by the lens of a different medium.''

This looks decidedly to be not the case

AdelePotter susie. Since: Aug, 2010
susie.
Apr 3rd 2023 at 2:07:35 PM •••

Should we give the animation its own page? If the "Pilot" title is indeed indicative of more animation to come (fingers crossed!!), it may be good to split the pages now.

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NonoRobot Since: Sep, 2010
Apr 5th 2023 at 11:33:48 AM •••

It's fairly premature for now. IF Lackaisy gets an actual animated series, sure, but for now I would say "wait".

GoldenCityBird Since: Oct, 2018
Apr 5th 2023 at 12:57:22 PM •••

The pilot has its own isolated plotline that is completely independent from the comic itself. I think it'd be OK for it to have a page.

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Aiguille Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 6th 2023 at 6:37:01 PM •••

Actually, its looking like a Time Skip Stealth Sequel, with new comic developments pre-hiatus being the pilot's status quo

AdelePotter Since: Aug, 2010
Apr 6th 2023 at 9:07:09 PM •••

Are we sure it's a timeskip and not an alternate continuity? I could be wrong, but I don't think there's any indication Rocky has his head injury in the animated short, and the reuse of certain elements (Mitzi being introduced reading the obituaries, Rocky's ode to the Mississippi) make me think it's a new continuity, adapting roughly the same story in a different way. But I could see it going either way, tbh.

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NonoRobot Since: Sep, 2010
Apr 6th 2023 at 11:15:03 PM •••

Thing is: we don't know, so I think it would be best to avoid hinting at a Time Skip since there are no definitive evidence this is one (Rocky's head injury missing is the biggest tell in defavor of a Time Skip). An alternate continuity seems possible, but, once again, better to avoid using these tropes for now.

Aiguille Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 3rd 2023 at 8:56:18 AM •••

For anyone with Lackadaisy on their follows, might I suggest a page image refresh when a slot on Image Pickin' opens up? While the current one does display the whole crew of protagonists, it dates from the comic's sepia tinted era. It began publishing in color around 2018, (see here. ) and the animated pilot's promo poster seems far better at communicating the premise of both comic and animated pilot.

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AdelePotter Since: Aug, 2010
Apr 3rd 2023 at 2:06:29 PM •••

^ agreed

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