Pulled this:
- Stealth Sequel: The endgame reveals that the main trilogy is a distant sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles X, as Alpha's memory of Klaus' world has a mention of the Earthlife Colonization Project and Project Exodus, implying that the war the people of New Los Angeles were escaping from and the war that pushed Klaus into performing the experiment are the same event. It's heavily implied that the series is also a Distant Finale to Xenosaga, where Vector Industries and Dimitri Yuriev are directly referenced (the logo of the former on the radio Na'el and the children have playing while in the yard of a house, and the later outright name dropped on said radio) and what's implied to be KOS-MOS returning to Earth from the ending of Xenosaga III. Additionally, the mention that what is probably the White Whale being a "Philadelphia class" mothership, implies that the White Whale is in the same ship series as the Eldridge from Xenogears
It was put back on the basis that it "wasn't confirmed" how the Earth blew up in XCX. It's shown directly in the opening cutscene. The villains even take direct credit for it. In Xenoblade 2, we see the conflict happening around the space station, and it's got nothing to do with the alien races shown in XCX.
The mention of Project Exodus is also completely different — in XCX, it's described explicitly as a last-ditch attempt to get humans off the planet because the alien war was coming and would destroy it, whereas in Future Redeemed, it's presented simply as a colonization project happening over the course of years.
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Here is the XCX opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L8OZswWXkw
We very clearly see two separate alien races attacking each other and them physically destroying Earth. You see the bits breaking apart. There is also no sign whatsoever of Klaus's orbital station.
And here is the relevant scene in XC 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyNLNsnbDeA
Notice the complete lack of two alien armadas. The lack of any attacks or damage to Earth itself. The completely different design of the mechs that are fighting, and the fact that the fight is centered directly on the space station.
They are very obviously clearly not the same events.
On that note, remove Arc Welding too. Any connection to non-numbered Xenoblade game is SpeculativeTroping right now.
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I'd argue it's an Arc Welding in spirit if not in literal canon. We're supposed to see those and think, "some version of those events happened or is capable of happening in this canon" even if the literal facts don't line up. As it stands it's too sure of itself but a rewritten version would suffice.
I'm willing to settle on a compromise entry for Arc Welding that states that certain specific events from the other Xeno franchises happen in the Blade universe, because that part of it is explicit text and not speculation to say that the ship class the Eldridge came from, Dmitri Yuriev and the Salvators, and the organization responsible for the White Whale, did happen, even if the rest of the events that follow from them and result in the other games in their entirety are up in the air. Now if the entry were to imply that the Philadelphia-class ship definitely was the Eldridge or White Whale or that Michtam and Deus exist in this universe, that would be too speculative, and should not be included.
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I am not. Dimitri Yuriev is just a generic Russian name (and not even spelled the same). The White Whale isn't even namedropped.
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What of the special thanks in the credits to Xenosaga's owners? From what I've seen the X references are indeed flimsy but not the Xenosaga connections.
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Could be special thanks for being the first owner of Monolith Soft. Nothing concrete here.
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And specifically using the Vector Industries logo on the radio? They could have used anything, but they went with what was presumably legally a much more complicated option. I'd suggest watching this video that explains just how deep the connections go. https://youtu.be/lc-3KrXyaAs
I highly doubt the Dmitri Yuriev (both parts of the name matter) who leads the Salvators/Saviorites reference is a coincidence. It's not just a Special Thanks, there's a copyright notice in the licensing portion of the game to Bandai Namco that was not even there for KOS-MOS as a guest hero in 2, so they definitely went out of their way to add something they normally shouldn't. I never said the White Whale itself isn't canon, but both Earthlife Colonization Project/Project Exodus being mentioned is specific enough to be a concrete X reference and not just a funny list of words that happened to line up with something in X.
I'm fine with purging overly-certain entries about continuity and focusing on the general connections such as consolidating them into a single Arc Welding entry that indicates the games are all loosely linked together, because as Takahashi stated the references in Future Redeemed are supposed to be meaningful and to foreshadow what the next game will be about, even if which one of them is unclear for now. To say that none of them mean anything at all and that it's all pure coincidence is being radical in the opposite direction.
Actually, hell, I see that there currently is an Arc Welding entry and that it's written fine right now as it is, since "Broad Strokes universe/multiverse" is open-ended enough to encompass whatever Monolith Soft or fans want no matter whether they follow up on it or not.
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I do not take Luxin as evidence, but I'd like to see that Takahashi quote.
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The copyright notices Luxin mentions are objective and meaningful. Xenosaga (not just Bandai Namco) is explicitly credited in the list of IP notices for the game after Criware because they used copyrighted content from it in an amount that exceeded what they used in 2 (which they did not need to provide the same credit for). It's not just a casual mention, Yuriev's name being there is not just a funny coincidence with a common Russian name, it's something that would've otherwise violated copyright without that permission.
Takahashi states:
While it is a conclusion, that does not mean it is the end of the Xenoblade series. It is just a stopping point in my mind. I think that everyone who played this title and the additional stories in the Expansion Pass can imagine what lies in the future for Xenoblade.
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"as well as the mysterious A, a woman wielding a blade capable of harming the Moebius,"
Is A a woman? I thought all the promotional material avoided any pronouns for A.
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Yeah, while nothing has been confirmed and they could still turn out to be gendered a la Shiver from Splatoon 3, we should avoid particular pronouns for A for now.
If you want to be accurate to the game, you shouldn't be using ANY pronouns for A, including they/them. Even the Xeno wiki avoids doing such.
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