I realised that elite regiment are the houseguards of each dukedom, should we make a main category for the dukedom and a sub-catagetory for each corresponding army? For example, we can have the Cuirassiers listed in Wulframite Dukedom and Highlanders in Clan of Havenport. Also, should we add tropes based on the meta information of the forum?
I believe we should rename the serie of webpages into a new name — "The Dragoon Saga" . Soon after Paul Wang released his third installment of the series, "Sabre of Infinity" will become more and more inadquate to the future topics and contents. Furthermore, the backstory and building of Infinity Sea universe is becoming more sophisicated,which makes little sense for Sabre of Infinity to represent the entire plot. This post will remain for about a month or two, if there is no reply or any objections, I will begin to consider revising the name and modify its structure as planned.I welcome any help in this subject.
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As I said, while Caz and Elson are most certainly enemies, Cazarosta is serving under Elson because of command structure rather than common cause; more to the point, Caz is actively sabotaging Elson for his own purposes while in that position, and vice versa.
And Antari and Tierra were not cooperating against external enemies.
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As the game and extended universe make clear, the Tierran and Antari commands are not the rigid, professional hierarchies we see in modern militaries but the frame of that grafted over deeply divided officers, cliques, and regiments. In effect, they are siding with each other in light of a common threat and most of the forces (especially on the Antari side) are as focused on competing for power and glory within their side as on fighting the foreign enemy. Which fits the historical inspirations considering their era.
I concede the point about Tierra and Antar, but I also point out that while there is to the best of my knowledge no overt records of Tierran auxiliaries to the League during its' time as a defacto vassal, I cannot rule that out without word from the author, who I do personall know on some level.
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Enemy Mine is "The heroes and villains team up to defeat a common enemy". Are these commands portrayed as heroes/villains?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
That is a bit of an overstatement, even given how very grey and gray the two sides are. Khorobirit (to the extent people understand him) is a villain (again; to the extent that the Antari of an alternate universe rebel against his rule).
And between the two characters in question, Elson is portrayed as many things but morally questionable save in the form of his Baneblood prejudices is not one of them. That cannot be same for Caz, whose behavior and mindset might otherwise get marked out as The Dragon in The Patriot.
So even if Enemy Mine does not work, would not Teeth-Clenched Teamwork do?
You're injecting your own personal morality into the game, when Cataphrak has avoided moralizing the conflict. So no, it's not an overstatement.
And yes, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork does fit.
Cataphrak avoided making the conflict between straight up good or evil and avoided slapping demon horns on some characters and halos on others, but that doesn't mean he didn't moralize it. And if anything "there are no heroes or villains" is a more reckless and less sustainable example of you interjecting morality into it. Especially with the player character more than capable of serving as an example of one over the other.
Everybody has their reasons for doing what they did and to some degree they are understandable or even justifiable. But at the end of the day Khorobirit was still a brute of a commander and man (especially after his wife's death), and Caz was still tottering on the edge of sociopathy (by the author's words) and doing things even his more pragmatic counterparts had issues with). They were also great soldiers who their countries had use of.
Whether that qualifies them as heroes or villains in your book is one thing and people can easily agree to disagree; the claim that there were no heroes or villains (especially given the playable wild card ) is another.
That's just splitting hairs.
Cataphrak has not, in-game or (to my knowledge) from Word of God made any canonical statements about whether any character is good or evil, or a hero or villain (except from the perspective of characters in the narrative). The game does not pass judgment.
Regardless, this is off topic. Enemy Mine is not applicable, but if you want to sew in Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, be my guest.
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- Young Future Famous People : Played straight with a surviving Cazarosta, who is destined to become one of the great Tierran leaders of the war. Subverted with Mikhail Khorobirit; while he was already a prominent member of Antari society before the war the spinoff game Shadow Regiment
indicate that [[spoiler in response to the defeat in the war]] he would stage a coup against the League Congress and install a totalitarian regime under him. The subversion comes in because Shadow Regiment has been declared noncanon by Word of God.
First, is there anything in Shadow Regiment that says that Mikhail of Khorobirit is the White King? And second, what's your evidence (and the canonical status of this) that Cazarosta is destined for glory? It's entirely possible that Guns of Infinity will contradict that.
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Sorry for the delay. As for my evidence, it was on the extensive backstory notes that the author made on his former site, Spacecat Studios, as well as on Choice Of Games's forums when he was making Sabers.
In it, he clearly stated that Cazarosta is destined for glory, that Mikhail Khorobirit is- or would be, or would have been- the White King, among other details.
Unfortunately, Space Cat Studios has been scuttled since then and taken its' archives to the deep. However, they are still accessible with the Internet Way Back Machine.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130701000000*/http://www.spacecatstudios.com/
I am sorry I can not immediately provide links or information to the relevant sections in the Choice of Games forums, because there are so man and I have not been there for a while. If need be with enough time, I can dig them up. But I hope that these documents would be enough to prove it.
Checking the trope page, I think this is a moot point. Young Future Famous People requires a Historical Domain Character from Real Life, so whether or not you're correct, Square Peg Round Trope is in effect.
Anyway, I seem to recall from the Co G page that Cazarosta's fate will be at least partly determined by your character's actions, so he may or may not be "destined" for fame. Plus, as you know, Cataphrak is usually a bit tricky with his Word of God. Until we know for certain how things play out, it's entirely possible that "glory" means a quickly-forgotten flash in the pan, or is a horrible pun for "dies in a gunpowder explosion."
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I have heard that there is precedent in the former for use on non-historic characters and continuities (for instance, young Obi Wan or Mace Windu or who have you) if they are important to a given universe's mythos. My use of that was predicated on those, as from my understanding Mikhail and Caza are both important to the Infinite Sea universe; it just is not very well established.
As for the latter:
While it is true that Cataphrak is somewhat tricky with Word of God and he has confirmed we have the ability to change Cazarosta's fate and your character's own, he has also confirmed that the greater canon of the Infinite Seas universe will involving Cutting Off the Branches. There will be a "canonical ending"- or at least "canonical effects"- of the Sabers saga, and while you will be able to get endings that are not canon the greater universe will politely ignore them.
I can understand the policy, but I figure I should mention these as a note anyway.
Hey folks, Harroc from the Co G forums here. I've started editing the characters page to add more info. The goal is to have about 5-10 tropes for each regiment and around 5 for each dukedom.
I'm about to finish doing the Grenadiers; after that I'll do the Cuirassiers, Highlanders, Lancers and finish with the Experimentals. The Dragoons have enough info provided in-game, so I probably won't add anything. Line infantry isn't an elite regiment so I don't think I'll do do them. Any info you might have is welcome!
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