There can be a franchise article, but not a Franchise/ page since it doesn't qualify.
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I recently played through the PS 3 version, beating every boss in the game with the starting Blood Berry weapon. I killed the final boss with it and I was hoping I could fight the bonus boss with it, but when the fight started I suddenly had Tsubaki III. Does the Wii version automatically give you that weapon if you choose to fight the bonus boss?
In the Shout Out section, it says "3...2...1 Zilch" is a Killer7 reference. Anyone mind refreshing my memory on that, as it's not even slightly ringing a bell.
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Where is the aforementioned Shout Out section? I can't seem to find it.
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World Arcana.
When Holly says "Academics like to fantasize too, you know", what does she mean exactly? Fantasize about people like Travis being smart, professional people (at least in her eyes)? I never really got it.
"If someone asks you 'What is life?' it is like them asking 'What is a carrot?'; a carrot is a carrot, we know nothing more."
Quick question; Has anyone read the [Japan-exclusive| No export for you] comic for the Hoppers' version of Desperate Struggle, "No More Losers"? It actually expands the backstory on Skelter Helter and his bro. It's actually pretty interesting, as it adds some more depth to the characters that are featured in the story.
This troper is the only one that thinks that the Too Many Belts entry from the Desperate Struggle is a shout-out to Tetsuya Nomura's work?
And in the same pase, Margaret Twilight is also a shout-out to Misa Amane? (considering both are gothic lolitas, shinigami related, and have character songs singed by them).
As for the shout-outs, someone already mentioned that Helter Skelter looked like Sephiroth, good that I wasn't the only one who thought that. He still looks like Dante too, tho.
deep in though- ow!
Apparently there's some debate over Fridge Horror being added.
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I said keep it there until a YMMV page is added.
Apparently that's too rational for some more zealous members of the community.
YMMV tropes don't go on main pages unless they're in-universe examples, what's the problem?
Besides, it's been stated that that isn't how Fridge Horror is used.
^ And my point about robots that slavishly follow the rules without taking other factors into consideration is proven.
And it's a tongue-in-cheek joke in the same fashion of, y'know, THE ENTIRE GAME.
Um, warping the meaning of tropes doesn't make you "not" a robot. It just makes you someone who doesn't seem to understand how tropes work.
Plus if it was a joke, you didn't actually indicate so. Don't blame us for assuming it was serious.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
^^ So your argument has reduced to Ad Hominems and copping out with "It was a joke!" As DQZ said, it wasn't immediately obvious that the example wasn't sincere, especially after you tried defending its logic.
You don't appear to know what ad hominem actually is.
And your inability to process humour ain't my problem.
You don't appear to know what ad hominem actually is.
OK then, I'll address your original points:
1. You don't get to change the definition of the trope just so you can shoehorn it in. 2. Keeping a misused example of a trope that never goes on the main article from being included isn't "robotic," especially considering the context here.
And your inability to process humour ain't my problem.
I still like how you only just now pulled that defense after previously trying to argue that it was a straight example, as is seen here:
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- You mean besides when he checks his fridge or, y'know, COLLECTS A PIZZA PICK-UP?
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- Just because you disagree with or don't like a statement doesn't mean that it's wrong.
You made no indication that the Fridge Horror example was intended to be sarcastic, and just now insisting that everyone else is wrong because they didn't find it funny isn't helping your case.
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I have a case now?
Does that imply you'd actually be willing to listen, instead of hiding behind a smug veneer of pseudo-intellectualism?
It sure is GIFT in here. Past all the sniping, I see two points of contention:
1. Does Travis wash his hands?
2. Would his not doing so be Fridge Horror?
From my observations of the game and trope definitions, the answers are maybe and no. These is a gap after every save during which he changes position significantly or exits the bathroom altogether, so there's no indication either way. If he doesn't, horror is an extreme reaction, sarcastic or otherwise; it's not like he goes around shaking hands or isn't regularly bathed in the bodily fluids of those he kills.
TL;DR The trope doesn't apply, even on a YMMV page.
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It sure is GIFT in here. Past all the sniping, I see two points of contention:
1. Does Travis wash his hands?
2. Would his not doing so be Fridge Horror?
From my observations of the game and trope definitions, the answers are maybe and no. These is a gap after every save during which he changes position significantly or exits the bathroom altogether, so there's no indication either way. If he doesn't, horror is an extreme reaction, sarcastic or otherwise; it's not like he goes around shaking hands or isn't regularly bathed in the bodily fluids of those he kills.
TL;DR The trope doesn't apply, even on a YMMV page.
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^^ You going to address my argument, or make snide comments?
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Mod here:
First point: If there is no YMMV page for a work, and there are YMMV entries, Make the page! It's not hard and you don't need permission.
Second point. Edit warring will get you banned, as will personal attacks.
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I have notified the mods that someone needs to step in here and take a look see. For the time being, take a break and stop peeing on everything.
OK. Rather than risk an Edit War, I ask: do we move all character tropes to the character page, as was done for the Mass Effect series? If not, by what rationale/method/rule of thumb will we determine what character tropes get put on the main page?
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I can't find the thread, but the agreement was that since not everyone looks at character pages, the tropes should also be listed on the main page. As in we don't agree what was done with ME.
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All the tropes? Just ones that a troper takes a particular interest in? What's the deciding factor? You aren't being clear.
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All the tropes? Just ones that a troper takes a particular interest in? What's the deciding factor? You aren't being clear.
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All tropes should be on the main page, and then character specific ones should be duplicated on the character page.
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...No. Nonononononono. The whole point of character pages is to compensate when the main article gets unwieldy and large, to split off a large number of the tropes and increase readability. There are several pages where what you're talking about would be flat out impossible because the page would be too long to be editable. If that's the theory you were operating on, it's majorly flawed.
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...No. Nonononononono. The whole point of character pages is to compensate when the main article gets unwieldy and large, to split off a large number of the tropes and increase readability. There are several pages where what you're talking about would be flat out impossible because the page would be too long to be editable. If that's the theory you were operating on, it's majorly flawed.
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We split off tropes into folders for that. I'm going to look for the thread about this.
EDIT: Here.
Let's discuss this there, and not make an edit war.
...We split media into folders on trope pages. I've never seen folders on a media page, even Star Wars or LOTR. And the folders don't prevent pages from becoming too long to be editable.
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...We split media into folders on trope pages. I've never seen folders on a media page, even Star Wars or LOTR. And the folders don't prevent pages from becoming too long to be editable.
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Avatar The Last Airbender, Order Of The Stick, Warhammer 40000, are three that spring to mind.
BTW, the "too long" argument presumes that the character pages don't become too long, and I find it doesn't work that way.
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At which point they get split into new pages by cast herds and become an even stronger argument for not including them on the main page of the media.
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At which point they get split into new pages by cast herds and become an even stronger argument for not including them on the main page of the media.
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What? What's a cast herd? If you mean what happened at That Guy With The Glasses, that wouldn't apply to Avatar The Last Airbender. If you meant something else, then what?
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It's a special trope that can only be found by using the magic spell known as "google", or by my potholing it counteract your laziness.
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It's a special trope that can only be found by using the magic spell known as "google", or by my potholing it counteract your laziness.
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How about I didn't notice there was a pothole? In case you hadn't noticed, dark blue against white doesn't stand out that much against black on white, especially when you've been staring at these screens for a while.
Now that I can see it, all that does is mean the character page is reorganized. How does that address that character pages can still get really large like the main page? It just supports my claim that folders for main pages help the size.
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Still, adding character tropes to the main page makes it bigger than necessary. Tools (here, character sheets) are made to be used, not to be ignored and rendered useless. By having the character tropes on the main page, you render the character sheets redundant and superfluous.
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The size is not limited this way. Furthermore, there is no "importance" requirement for it on there. Plus putting it on both pages does not make it worthless. It just provides information you can find in both places. This isn't redundancy. It's information in two places. That makes it more like a backup.
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You didn't notice the pothole because it wasn't there. After you made your complaint instead of googling 'cast herd', I thoughtfully made it a pothole. Click on the book icon of that post.
And it means that the cast page is easily subdivided. Witness the Code Geass and Bleach character pages for two that I know of. How do you propose that we divide Warhammer 40k if it becomes uneditable?
By size do you mean the length of the pages, or the amount of data/text on it?
"The size is not limited this way" Which size, which way?
"Furthermore, there is no "importance" requirement for it on there." ...Who said there was?
"Plus putting it on both pages does not make it worthless." No, but it is pointless.
"It just provides information you can find in both places." Two places that are directly connected to each other. I don't put a set of encyclopedias in my bedroom and the hallway bookshelf.
"This isn't redundancy. It's information in two places." O.o I'm going to fall back on 'the most polite thing to say is nothing' here.
"That makes it more like a backup." A backup you set aside and ignore, aside from checking that it's functioning and and updating it. Having data mixed in with other data as well as on the page specifically set aside for that dataset is disorganization.
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You didn't notice the pothole because it wasn't there. After you made your complaint instead of googling 'cast herd', I thoughtfully made it a pothole. Click on the book icon of that post.
And it means that the cast page is easily subdivided. Witness the Code Geass and Bleach character pages for two that I know of. How do you propose that we divide Warhammer 40k if it becomes uneditable?
By size do you mean the length of the pages, or the amount of data/text on it?
"The size is not limited this way" Which size, which way?
"Furthermore, there is no "importance" requirement for it on there." ...Who said there was?
"Plus putting it on both pages does not make it worthless." No, but it is pointless.
"It just provides information you can find in both places." Two places that are directly connected to each other. I don't put a set of encyclopedias in my bedroom and the hallway bookshelf.
"This isn't redundancy. It's information in two places." O.o I'm going to fall back on 'the most polite thing to say is nothing' here.
"That makes it more like a backup." A backup you set aside and ignore, aside from checking that it's functioning and and updating it. Having data mixed in with other data as well as on the page specifically set aside for that dataset is disorganization.
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How would googling something related to the way TV Tropes pages work help? If cast herding is a writing thing, then applying it to character pages requires the show does it, and you brought it up in the context of page size.
"By size do you mean the length of the pages, or the amount of data/text on it?"
Length, since pages are text, and therefore not that large.
""Furthermore, there is no "importance" requirement for it on there." ...Who said there was?"
That was about the history comments.
""Plus putting it on both pages does not make it worthless." No, but it is pointless. "
Just you calling it that does not make it so. Same with your other two comments.
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Just you calling it not pointless does not make it so.
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How would it be pointless? If you want to know all the tropes in a work, you look at the main page. If you want to see the character specific tropes grouped around each character, you see the character pages. Thus the information is available in different simultaneous contexts depending in your preferences.
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This is getting ridiculous, and at this point, I really don't care a single iota how this thing ends, as long as it ends.
Dragon Quest Z is in favor of keeping character tropes in the main page. If he speaks for anyone who has been silent thus far, they should speak up now. Le_Shad and Westrim are in favor of putting all character tropes in the character page, presumably with an announcement saying all character tropes are to be found there. As before, if anyone who agrees with them has been silent up until this point, they should speak now. I, for one, will stubbornly abide by and sporadically attempt to enforce whatever the majority decision ends up being.
Of course, what ends up being decided will only apply to the No More Heroes page, and by extension, the Desperate Struggle page. As has been said, there's no site-wide policy yet. If that changes... well, I'll start following that instead.
Weill in the discussion thread I earlier linked to, it's not just me.
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I'd rather wait for an official word.
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Should there be some cleaning of Tropes from the sequel on this page?
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Yes, there should. If you see any, please move them. I thought they were already moved by the soft split.
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Meant to start new topic; disregard this post.
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Should there be a Franchise article for No More Heroes?
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