Discussion Series / KamenRiderOOO

Yeah, but that was before all the medals came out. Now with all of them out, we can pickout which medals relate to which color. Mind you, I'm still for the single color version, but this seems better in comparison.

Sure, sure. It's not like we have a lot of editing left to do.

They would probably be in the Master of None territory along with Tatoba Combo due to the fact that they don't excel in any particular area on their own. Although it's hard to say, considering there are more than 500 Random Combos due to the mix-and-match options available.

You would expect a Poisonous Person to, well, poison an enemy.

I feel the same way. I'm probably one of the few people who go "meh" at dinosaur action, then add some mythical creatures to the mix and you have a combo I'm not too keen about.

Well they can't have the Medagabaryu look too much like a real weapon - remember, it has to be kid-friendly on the surface. If you realize how he's holding it improperly and how badly designed it is for an axe you'd be even madder.

I think he fits Bigger Bad more, since he's more of a background character than an active character.

That's what I thought, I was just checking.

Sure, it would be better if we find a picture of someone crying in the show.

I support the creation of a Tear Jerker page.

It isn't so much that he's creating it from the candle holder, it's more of an item that represents one's destroyed desire or dream. In this case, that may have been the candle holder that he used to set his sister on fire.

I suppose. Once again, the blame goes to the toy designs. Though from what I can see, what Batta Legs seem to do is to morph and extend his shoes specifically; granted, his feet still gets "squished", but it's a little less scary to think this way.

Really? When I go to rewatch the episode I remember him activate the Batta legs, it looks like his entire calves get compressed to barely the width of a human leg-bone (whatever bone is in the calves). Then there's the Kujaku legs, which we recently saw splits both calves along vertically into thirds, and then rotates the outer two thirds past 180 degrees.

I know I was thinking, "my god, his f'ing legs!"

Hehe. "Involuntary limb shapeshifting included with the superpower package", I suppose.

I watched the very first Scanning Charge in #3, with the Batta Legs. Neither of us were exactly wrong. The things is, nothing happens to his shins/calves technically; they just automatically bend up as the feet shifted into "stilts". I should know; I have the figure which lets you transform the Batta Legs in the same way, albeit a bit awkwardly. See here.

Kujaku are arms. Condor are legs.

I think it has to do with Objectivism.

Eh? Greeed and Objectivism? Mind explaining a bit more? Because the "desires" the Greeed feed on is, as far as I can see, anything but objective. Aren't those desires subjective, i.e: varying from person to person?

Could be. The problem is that it's a bit too early to tell.

Episode 18 has Date pull out a Sasori/Scorpion Cell Medal. Going by a "all medals come in Core and Cell variety" bit, does anybody have info on this Scorpion Medal? Is there any in existence?

The Movie. Shrimp, Crab and Scorpion. I sure they're listed under Combo Platter Powers and Animal Motifs. As for what powers it has, though, I don't know.

I smell a water theme (but where is the connection to KR Birth??). I found a Salamander Lake in Oregon, but zero about anything Haze (other than the explanation that it might just mean "mist"). Sounds a bit vague so far...I guess we'll just have to wait and see if someone else can solve the mystery.

so you don't get the connection between Birth and Water...well er...don't ask about the birds and the bees then...

About "Haze": I saw some sources translate it as "Hayse". And there are a number of hits, a couple of them being rivers, both in Canada.

@Neko: Birds and bees? Is that a metaphor for predation? :P

@Neko: What I meant was: I don't see a connection between the "equipment names" taken straight from a construction site and random bodies of water for the "secondary names". ^^ @Infinix: Writer's must be into geography... I want to try the things they smoke.

I believe anything related to the designs are attributed to PLEX, one of Bandai's subsidiaries, and not the writing staff. But yes, I don't see a connection either. These are more akin to "code names"  ^*

Maybe we should wait a bit. Like you said, it's only beginning to be hinted around #15-16. It might be too early to say anything about it for now. But if you don't mind a bit of speculation, it certainly sounds like "All Your Powers Combined".

No, no - I meant the whole PLOT of the "Multi-King", not the powers. ^^ "There's also a prophecy that whoever obtains every Core Medal shall become the destined "Multi King" of the Greeed." [from tvtropes] This is written in most summaries all over the internet and it put the fandom ahead in terms of the plot. It took them 16 episodes to just hint at the fact that the scientists who created the medals had bigger plans for them, no "Multi King" or "prophecy" mentioned yet. That sounds like a spoiler to me...

Yes, certainly a case of "Trailers Always Spoil". Except we don't know when that's gonna pop up.

I don't think Ankh does the "Tch" after every sentence; try filing that under "Character Tic". And yes, I'd say he also qualifies for "Improbable Hairstyle", "Anime Hair" and so far, partially "Blond Guys Are Evil".

Thank you for your help, I edited it. ^^

I used "Ra" because it's the show's pronunciation. Simple. And there's no "La" syllable in "Lion"; "Ra", on the other hand, there is in "Raion". See what happened to the Transformation Tune under Ear Worm when you changed to "L"? Just doesn't match.

But hey, I told you this page was never official. Don't sweat stuff like that.

La-I-On. I know this page is not official, but it's just the L/R thing. Just because it's not pronounced like "Li-Tora-Tah" doesn't mean "Ra-Tora-Tah" should be used.

What? I don't understand your logic. It's how the show says it, it makes sense phonetically, what more do you need?

it has to do with there theme songs, each song's name drop is phonetically similar to the combo name

Sun Goes Up Sun Goz So Get it Right Gikiri ride the right on Ra Tora Ta

• Don't think i got the names exactly right but you get the gist

Got to Keep It Real - GataKiriBa
Ride on Right Time - RaToraTah
Sun Goes Up - SaGoZo

Yeah, that's one more consistency, isn't it?

Gotta agree with Infinix and Nekko here- until we see an official romanization otherwise, Ra is the clearest translitteration. Though Japanese phonenes do make this fun.

The problem is that there is an official iteration: "Latorartar". I decided to tweak accordingly because that name makes almost no sense, in addition to being non-descriptive: There's no "La" syllable in "Lion", there's no second "R" in "Tora", and there's no "R" in "Cheetah" either. Besides, it's general knowledge that Toei likes to use Engrish whether correct or not, so that's another reason for Woolseyism.

Exactly. There are official translations but Infinix has taken it upon himself to ignore them outright. Toei and Bandai have chosen Latorartar, Sagohzo, and more recently Tajadol◊. Toei has chosen to use "La" for this because it's identically pronounced to "Ra". Just because they didn't make the names have "Rai" in the beginning so it's pronounced like the first syllable of "Lion" does not automatically make it a Woolseyism. If Engine Sentai Goonger has "Birca" on it when his name is "Baruka", along with all of the other translation stretches, there's no reason this page should not have Latorartar and Sagohzo and Tajadol.

"TaJaDol"... huh? Dude, I don't know if you're a native English speaker, but just drop this. There's no "H" in "Gorilla"; there's no "A" in "Lion", second "R" in "Tora" or "R" in "Cheetah; and there's no "L" in "Condor". There's no way I'm using that broken English on this page. I've given you multiple reasons for taking liberties; in fact, again and again, publicly and privately. I preferred not to say this, but I'll be direct: If you have no other reason than "It's not official." or "I don't like how it looks.", just forget about it. Go to Wikipedia; they'll accept anything official without a second thought.

Note: I used "Birca" because it's a combination of "Bike" and "Orca" or a light twist on "Iruka", and it makes sense either way. Since that was in a kid's show with lots of wordplay, the twist on "Iruka" didn't matter that much.

I was born in the good old US of A thank you very much. And yes, there's no H in Gorilla, no A in Lion, no L in Condor, but that's what Toei is going with. And why do you get to make every single fucking decision anyway? I already have all of the official names and whatnot on Wikipedia because I'm the only one with the best grasp of the rules and the English language there to write about it.

Why decide that this season/series/show/money printer should not use the Engrilish Toei and Bandai like to throw around?

I don't consider myself to be the center of decisions on any of the pages on TV Tropes; nobody ever appointed me in such a position either. However, I'm someone who made the page, check it daily and moderate/edit accordingly to be understandable for both Tropers and outsiders alike. That and probably because I've been here long enough and made some useful changes that people generally don't see my edits all that harmful.

The main reason I decided to throw down a standard is because there was no standard in the beginning, and nobody bothered. Medals are written in both English and Japanese; form names are just chaotic, the worst offender being RaToraTah and his romanized cousins. At least now there's a single standard the page follows. And it's doing well so far.

If you're thinking that I don't wanna use Toei/Bandai's Engrish, I'll assure that it's not strictly the case. You don't see me tinkering around with TaToBa or GataKiriBa. And I accepted "Gamel" and "Mezool" just fine, since it's consistent with the light plays on Greeeds' related verbs. I take the good and simple parts of both official terms and Woolseyisms and try to combine them accordingly; I used most of the official names on Go-onger page, didn't I? I want the pages I moderate to make sense, and that's all.

And about the Combo names: Of course I can see those are the English names Toei chose; that's a no-brainer. It's synonymous with "These are official names."; saying that changes nothing. Do you know how much they're used practically? So far, everyone's using whatever they want, even toy vendors who can see the name clearly. Why? Because when most people search for these forms, they use the pronunciations. No wonder: They contradict from both the general formula of Combo names composed of syllables from all three animals, and the transformation songs, not to mention being less descriptive.

You're an occasional contributor here, Ryulong; there's nothing wrong with that, but you don't know the page as well as I do. What I suggest is to put these official names under "Spell My Name With An S" - RaToraTah resides there since around the beginning, in fact. - and just drop this topic altogether. This is a trivial matter. Whether this page uses official terms or not is nothing that impacts the creators or their official information. If people want official info, they'll go to Wikipedia; TV Tropes is certainly not the first choice for that.

Nothing from the fandom communities I'm aware of. Anybody else? Also, doesn't that page say "please don't list as a trope"?

Oh, they do now? Sorry. Didn't know about that.

Yeah, examples go straight to the "Rejoice" page.

I think you should.

I agree. With the way OOO's powers are, he'll have more than enough entries as a rider to have a good amount of the page of his own (along with the upcoming Kamen Rider Birth).

Ok then. I'll get on to it ASAP. If it works, we can apply that to other pages as well.

EDIT: I've done the "preliminary" edit. It doesn't turn out too difficult, though I'd like to make clear the distinction between the two sections. The "Rider" section is essentially what the "Recurring Super Sentai Tropes" is to SS; generally, tropes about the Riders' designs, powers and arsenals can go here, but not character traits/personalities. Those belong in the "Story" section.

I'll admit that I did have some doubts splitting the sections with some tropes because Kobayashi's writing the merchandise aspects (Can-droids, for example) into the show, thinning the line between "purely asthetic" and "crucial to the plot". So do take a look at what I missed and what could have been shifted. But hey, at least people can see the general Rider tropes readily, so that's a plus.

Oh, and some tropes may overlap between the two sections, like the Ear Worm entry for example: It's got the songs which do not seem to fit in Rider section, and the OOO Driver sounds which certainly do.

If you're referring to how the page renders the Medal names, I try to keep them in English since Combo names alone are confusing enough for non-Japanese speaking people. With some Medals, I take a bit of liberty to mimic their fluency in Japanese; like "Hopper" for "Batta" and "Octo" for "Tako".

So yeah, best kept in English, the way I see it. This is an English wiki, after all.

I agree. The memetic version of CakeBoss is purely something a group of people (however large that may be) derived from the character. In other words, it's out of the series.

We should make a page for the Cake Boss meme, it seems to be becoming a work in of itself.

Hm... Maybe have a list for the medals effects upon a scanning charge.

Good question. It's definitely of good video quality, and Blip isn't as sensitive as Youtube about copyright issues. Maybe because your link is a fan-made MV? How about uploading an MP 3 or just the original opening? (I'm not the one who changed the link, mind you.)

Ah... My bad, I was directed to another video entirely and thought it was a troll that did it so I reverted the changes. I will change them back.

Ah, okay then.

The CamelCase isn't used (all names are parsed in CRUISECONTROL) and neither is "LaToraTah". I'm just trying to make the things the official ones like they do on WP.

And Gamel's and Mezool's names are official because those spellings appear in episode 7. I'm trying to get a screencap to show that right now.

You Tube quality and kisama-tachi fansubs, but it's still legible. And I saw these in the raw, so it's not something they added afterwards.

• Ankh & OOO: http://img202.imageshack.us/i/image1wj.png/
• Uva: http://img146.imageshack.us/f/image2za.png/
• Kazari: http://img146.imageshack.us/i/image3op.png/
• Gamel: http://img201.imageshack.us/i/image4ok.png/
• Mezool: http://img169.imageshack.us/i/image5g.png/

Can't argue with that logic.

Well, fair enough for the G & M's names then.

And to be honest, I'm not completely against official names. However, Toei's not known for a good grasp of English, and when their own romanizations/renderings don't make sense, I consider picking/making up something more sensible. OOO is a case like that.

Well, Toei seems to be sticking with "Latorartar" for now. And I'm fairly certain that the next Combo is Sagohzo. To be honest, the CamelCase only works with TaToBa. GataKiriBa, LaTora(r)Ta(r|h), SaGohZo, ShaUTa, CoraKaWani, TaJaDoru, and ToTeraNoZauru don't really work.

Well, I wouldn't say it doesn't work, because it still shows the split between the parts of the name. Like I mentioned earlier, for the sake of understandability, and also for consistency in the page, I'd opt to sticking with the CamelCase, at least until a better method is discovered. And hey, it's not like Toei's gonna come down here and sue me/us for that; they're not exactly doing a superb job with their namings either.

And are those new form names? Where are you finding those from? Not because I doubt those, mind you - ShaUTa, for example, is pretty obvious after the Medals' revelation; I just couldn't find info on those as they're not even hinted in the series yet.

I just think that CamelCase is only going to work with the mixed Combos (which I've been told today are "Random Combos"). So TaToBa, TakaKiriTah, and GataToraZo work, but ShaUTa is going to be awkward and ugly.

Shauta is Mezool's group, Tajador is Ankh's group (there's going to be a Peacock [Kujaku] and Condor Medal), Corakawani is some unknown reptile Greeed group (Cobra, Turtle [Kame], Crocodile [Wani]), Toteranozauru is the dinosaur form (Triceratops, Pteranodon, Tyrannosaurus).

I know what you mean about ShaUTa, since it looks like the odd one out. But if we keep the Camel-case consistent for the page, the feeling will pass eventually. The thing is, just before recently, I tried using hyphens between words, like Gata-Kiri-Ba; however, other editors keep reverting those again and again, so I just sort of gave up. Quite a shame, because hyphens make the Combo names simple, clear and neat, even though it's not the official one-word format. If the hyphen format sounds good to you, I've got no objections.

Oh. People have been mucking around with the O Scanner, finding all of the hidden sound bytes. I think it's just better to go with one word without CamelCase, because frankly it's a lot easier to write. But then, we're going to be arguing about that for a while now.

[Nod] [Sigh...] I'm starting to feel pointless about arguing how to write a particular name in a Tokusatsu. Let's just ask the others then: Single word, CamelCase or Hyphen? I'm still for Camel and Hyphen, but for the sake of the page consistency, I'll just go with the majority's choice.

Dang it, Toei! If you wanna use English/Romanization in your show, at least do it properly!

I doubt there is a source on that; Core Medals are only differentiated by their location on the holder's body, and not by their uses. All are shown to have their own uses already. And a matter this trivial is nothing worth arguing to begin with, so just drop the argument for the sake of a simpler, cleaner page. Please.

I say find a good replacement now, especially given that the Lion Medal is much closer to orange than Cheetah.

EDIT: I'd like to put forward Khaki and Yellow as options for the new Cheetah color. Forget I said that! Neither of these show up well on the white background.

I suggest just restricting the colors of the same category in just its basic color, like this:

• Stag-Mantis-Hopper
• Lion-Tiger-Cheetah
• Rhino-Gorilla-Elephant

Let's face it: there's still Orange and Purple to come. Given that TV Tropes code doesn't seem to support hexadecimal color editing, it'll be much less work; and even if it does support it, having to type "#********" every time isn't practical. Besides, anyone can easily tell a Core Medal's category with its color spectrum and animal.

So, with all due respect, let's just save ourselves a boatload of complications.

Hm... I agree.

Third the motion, though that suggested color for the cat medals is a little hard to read on my screen.

Well, we can make the letters bold, if it helps. Goldenrod is a bit "dry" a color for a Yellow substitute.

It looks much better now. Thanks.

Agreed.

Well, if you need to "polish" a page, you know who to call~ ^_^

So... tempting...

(a green ghost floats by in the background)

Probably not every single one, but depends on what the episodes present. And it's not the first time either; Samurai Sentai Shinkenger also went the same way that it got enough to have its own C Mo A page. The fact that both series are written by the same writer might also be a factor here.

If a moment is presented well enough to be awesome, nothing wrong with writing it down.

It is if it starts clogging up half the page. The last thing we need is for people to start taking every single mildly cool thing and parading it around as a Crowning Moment of Awesome, like in Order of the Stick.

I'm up for starting a C Mo A page already.

Sure, why not? Actually, me and Eddie Current already have plans to start it once the page gathered enough moments. Making it sooner is fine too, since, according to my experience with Kobayashi's stories, there will be quite a number by the series' end.

We had to start one for Samurai Sentai Shinkenger around, what, Act 17 at latest? Sometime around Genta's debut.

I do vaguely remember that it's around that point, yes.

I'll at least predict that OOO will have at least equal, if not more, because it's got more room for writing, unlike Super Sentai which is restricted to a strict "mould" every episode. If C Mo As start to clog, just give them their own page.

Category-wise, that's what would seem like, so far. But it's only 5 episodes in; hard to tell for sure right now.

Oh, but if you're wondering if the same monster suits will be re-used or not, I don't think they'll do so without a good reason, particularly an in-series justification. Monster concepts may be overlapping over the decades of Toku development, but there hasn't been a shortage of designs in a series.

I would suggest swapping it to the other way around, keeping the japanese names in brackets given how the names of OOO's forms are made up from the japanese names.

It is all in Japanese. It's just that the Japanese word for say, cheetah, is 'チーター.' It's basically a transliteration of the English word.

Color-Coded for Your Convenience?

No, no. What I meant isn't about the colors; it's about the curtains as "abstract" props; they're definitely there as props, but they're just "imaginary". Nobody seems to adress or acknowledge their existence; they're just there for symbolism.

It might change in the future though: Eiji lampshaded the O-Scanner's singing; who's to say he wouldn't do the same with the curtains? On the other hand, the O-Scanner isn't an imaginary prop; it's an actively "participating" prop.

Painting the Fourth Wall may be applicable.

It does seem like the best match, yes.