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Peteman Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 5th 2018 at 7:28:10 AM •••

I don't think this works, because it goes the opposite on no sense of energy

  • In Neon Genesis Evangelion, Second Impact is said to have been caused by a meteor hitting Antarctica at near the speed of light. Putting aside the question of how a meteor would ever attain such speeds in the first place, a meteor going that fast would probably have shattered the whole planet, not just caused a bunch of weather cataclysms. Of course, this is probably justified as the meteor story is just a cover to placate the masses, and hide the fact that Second Impact was actually caused by SEELE messing around with Adam.

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DarkHunter Since: Jan, 2001
Jul 20th 2018 at 5:13:59 PM •••

Allow me to contest that: in your example in the edit reasons, you cited a "1 ton" meteor travelling that fast wouldn't produce that much energy. To my knowledge, Evangelion never specifies how large the supposed meteor was. It could have been much, much more massive. You can't just assume the meteor was very small.

The in-universe article on the event put the amount of energy released in Second Impact to be "upward of 18 billion megatons"... now whether that falls under No Sense Of Energy I'm not sure.

(Of course, as the deleted example points out, the entire story is an in-universe fabrication anyway, so I wonder if the point is moot.)

Peteman Since: Jan, 2001
May 11th 2013 at 6:03:12 AM •••

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Serenity wasn't Wash killed by a harpoon, after the ship already landed?

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Peteman Since: Jan, 2001
May 11th 2013 at 7:07:34 AM •••

  • Serenity has one that's also a No Sense of Energy. The harpoon launched from a Reaver ship, that kills Wash, probably would've done a hell of a lot more damage than just breaking the windshield. They were in orbit at the time. Reentry velocity is Mach 25, i.e. 30,000 km/h. At that kind of relative velocity, a metal sphere 1 cm in diameter will hit like a hand grenade going off, purely in kinetic energy. A harpoon (typical gun-launched whaling harpoons have a mass of 45 kg) striking at that velocity will impact with the force of about 400 kg of TNT—that harpoon would've blown the entire cockpit clean off the ship.

The Reavers that killed Wash weren't in orbit. Right after Wash is impaled, there's a shot of at least one Reaver ship in the process of landing, and I think there was one that had already crashed, though the quality of the shot I'm referencing made me unsure if it was that or Serenity. Plus, the angle at which the harpoon hit Wash was almost perpendicular to his chest, meaning they'd have had to shoot him from the horizon. He wasn't killed in an orbital bombardment, he was killed by the landing ship.

AltseHashke Since: Mar, 2013
May 11th 2013 at 7:53:06 AM •••

Yeah, rewatching it, Serenity is lower than I remembered—I actually thought it was in orbit at the time (although in retrospect I think I should've wondered how they landed without their pilot).

But you appear to have misunderstood my misunderstanding. I wasn't saying they were being "bombarded" from orbit. I thought both ships were in orbit; when two objects, moving at reentry velocity, touch each other, at least one of them is always destroyed. "Hypervelocity impacts" are very, very bad things when the object in question is the size of a marble; when they're the size of a harpoon or (god forbid) a spaceship, they might as well be warheads, conventional and nuclear, respectively.

But anyway, at the last analysis, you're right, what I thought was happening wasn't happening; I was remembering it wrong.

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