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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 8:26:56 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Ambiguous Name, started by Peteman on Jan 1st 2020 at 12:45:42 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SolkaTruesilver Overlord Prime Since: Nov, 2010
Overlord Prime
Feb 16th 2015 at 11:30:34 AM •••

I edited out the mention that "by Deep Space Nine, the Federation commited regularly 600 ships to battles against the Dominion" as the events depicted by early Season 6 was actually described as one of the single largest commitment of fleetpower in a single engagement of the whole war.

Peteman Since: Jan, 2001
May 4th 2014 at 9:01:58 AM •••

I really think we should rename this (or give an explanation) because some of these examples better fit as Unit Confusion.

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
Burn
Jun 20th 2012 at 2:54:14 AM •••

  • Some of this is the result of the Star Wars Expanded Universe having an extremely inconsistent portrayal of its basic scale. The movies give numbers in the range of "tens of thousands of worlds", including a lot of marginally developed worlds, while some EU sources bump this up to "millions of worlds" with a lot more development. Somewhere along the line, the math is bound to not add up.

...When?

I want to know when this was mentioned in the movies.

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Peteman Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 20th 2012 at 5:59:30 AM •••

They were treating the loss of thousands of worlds in the opening crawl of Attack Of The Clones and the ten thousand worlds Dooku had lined up like it was this huge balance-changing loss, when that wouldn't even break 3% on a supposedly million star system Republic.

Also, it's more the Movie Novelizations than anything, which are often developed closely with George Lucas. The Phantom Menance novelization mentions "In the time of Qui-Gon Jinn, ten thousand Jedi Knights in service to the Republic carried on the struggle each day of their lives in a hundred thousand different worlds..." while the Attack Of The Clones mentions "the events and participants took on godlike stature to the trillions of common folk of the Republic" and the Revenge of the Sith novelization says "'... A trillion beings on this planet alone'" in reference to Coruscant.

If anything, it's more the Star Wars: The Clone Wars series that's giving us more of these "marginally developed worlds".

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Peteman Since: Jan, 2001
May 5th 2012 at 8:51:16 AM •••

  • The "Coruscant has a population of one trillion" thing that's often thrown around simply doesn't add up. Assuming the planet is relatively Earth-sized, a city-wide planet would result in a population density more closely resembling Mongolia (1.8 per km) than, say, Tokyo (2600 per km). Furthermore, Coruscant is repeatedly noted to have multiple layers of city, with underlevels so deep they never see natural sunlight, and skyscrapers reaching literally kilometres into the sky. One trillion people on a planet like that would be effectively deserted, not the bustling metropolis depicted. Though there are large areas depicted that don't have huge swaths of people, like the seemingly unpopulated (most likely automated given that it was powered) factory area Dooku flies over in AOTC, and the landing zone Anakin crashes on in ROTS, so the population density is not necessarily universal.

An Earth-sized planet has roughly 510'000'000 KM^2 of surface area. This includes oceans but Star Wars has aquatic species so they could fill in over there. A trillion people evenly distributed is 1960 people per KM^2, not 1.8, and that is closer to the OP's stated Tokyo's population density of 2600. We can get higher population densities if we assume that the city only extends to the landmass and not the oceans, as with an Earth-sized landmass, we have roughly 149'000'000 KM^2 with an average of 6711 people per KM^2. Furthermore, there are sections on the planet that have marginal habitation, like that factory district Dooku flies over, and the landing zone Anakin crashed into. So the population is probably not evenly spread and those kilometer-high skyscrapers likely do not represent the majority of the planet. The planet is populated enough and there are sufficient onscreen discrepancies of population density between areas that the stated figure is not unrealistic.

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