I'd say save it for a later episode where it actually does happen, since in this episode, we don't really have the trope actually play out. Even if we "know" it is going to happen late ron, it hasn't happened yet.
An Offer You Can't Refuse entry for Ironwood:
- Ironwood makes clear to Watts that he will help in hacking Penny, and that if he tries anything, a firing squad surrounding him will end him in an instant. And should he be in need of more "motivation", Ironwood is perfectly willing to motivate Watts himself.
It's not that trope, but it is Appeal to Force. However, that's not episode-specific, as it's been escalating as a trope... ever since Volume 2, really.
There's already an entry on his character sheet on the Solitas page for this trope. I'm suggesting a rewrite of the Solitas character entry, which we can add next week when this episode becomes publicly tropable.
- Appeal to Force: Ironwood holds two seats on the Atlesian council and commands the kingdom's military, using both to transfer Vytal Festival security from Ozpin to himself at the end of Volume 2. After Beacon's fall, he becomes increasingly draconian in using his military to enact his plans and circumvent council authority. With the civilian councillors too intimidated to stand up to him, resistence lies with Robyn's Happy Huntresses until the heroes arrive in Volume 7. When he finally succumbs to his paranoia, he turns on everyone, declaring martial law, issuing arrest warrents for everyone who opposes him. His control of Atlas quickly becomes absolute, responding ruthlessly to opposition and leaving former allies reeling. Examples include him shooting Oscar for trying to talk him down; <spoiler tag>killing Sleet for challenging martial law; coercing Watts via implied torture to hack Penny when she goes AWOL; and authorising lockdowns and lethal force when intruders infiltrate Central Command.<end spoiler tag>
It's definitely not Villain Has a Point. Ace-Ops is a Hero Antagonist team right now, so we need to find a trope for this.
- Villain Has a Point:
- A downplayed case since he's at worst an Anti-Villain, but when Vine tries speaking with the girls, he's completely right in what he says.
- Both the Ace-Ops and Team RWBY did and said things they didn't mean in the heat of the moment, and they can't waste time infighting when Salem is right at Atlas' doorstep, so he tries to appeal to their sense of reason hoping it would get them to work together again. The problem is, the girls, namely Penny and Ruby, refuse to work alongside Atlas period so long as Ironwood continues to abandon Mantle.
- When Vine points out that Penny is meant to protect the people, not hurt them, Penny denies doing so. Problem is, her actions are hurting people inadvertently. She isn't just the protector of Mantle, as the Winter Maiden, she is guardian of all of Atlas. But in her, and the girl's, efforts to save Mantle, they are damaging Atlas' own attempts at defending themselves. Atlas may have abandoned Mantle to survive, but in their refusal to abandon Mantle, the girls have ultimately decided to forsake Atlas.
- A severely downplayed case since she was largely saying it to shut Penny up, but Harriet is correct in saying that so long as the forces of Atlas and Mantle keep fighting amongst themselves, both are going to die to Salem.
- A downplayed case since he's at worst an Anti-Villain, but when Vine tries speaking with the girls, he's completely right in what he says.
Strawman Has a Point since they're supposed to be wrong yet they raised a point? Jerkass Has a Point since they were being dicks to Penny?
I am not sure about Jerkass Has a Point because it is possible they have been lied to. Given that they absent from what happened, and what they describe is definitely not what happened, Ironwood might have lied to them. They are not normally jerkasses (Harriet may be borderline). But, as Vine says, things have been getting a bit unpleasant since everyone decides which side of the fence they were on.
I am also not sure they are supposed to be regarded as entirely wrong since Vine and Harriet make comments that are more or less the same points Jaune and Oscar make — just from an Ironwood perspective.
The second entry, however, is I suspect Fridge. Unless we actually see someone pointing out that the heroes are so split between protecting Mantle and warning Remnant that the only people thinking of Atlas are Team Ironwood — but the show keeps having Ruby say "everyone" even though her actions keep excluding Atlas. So, unless the show does give us a sign it is aware of that discrepancy, I think the second entry is a Fridge example.
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The Harriet entry could probably fit under Jerkass Has a Point. She has pretty much become a Hate Sink ever since the divide, and she loses any potential "Heart of Gold" she initially had as a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, making her a flat out jerkass.
As for the first Vine example, maybe it can be reworked into Both Sides Have a Point if the entry is changed to acknowledge Penny and Ruby's legitimate issue with Ironwood abandoning Mantle and how Salem will still chase after Atlas anyway?
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This was removed then added again.
Him receiving the sword was the episode cliffhanger, so he hasn't explained exactly what he's going to do with it, it's just clear that it's going to help him hack Penny somehow. Sympathetic Magic is therefore not a trope being used in this episode. If it is used, it will be in a later episode.
The edit reason for re-adding "Not shoehorning, yes he hasn't done it yet, but it's coming." That edit reason is an admittance that it doesn't happen in this episode and that the anticipation is that it will happen in a future episode. Recap pages are not allowed to trope future episodes and Speculative Troping (troping in anticipating of future events) isn't allowed at all.
This is before we get to the discussion of whether this is trope misuse as we're talking about a scientist who is looking for a way to hack into a Robot Girl, and appears to have found a possible solution with one of her swords, which is normally connected to her by a wire. And this is why Speculative Troping isn't allowed — finding a magic trope to explain something that is about hacking computers remotely is a stretch at best and trope misuse at worst.
Either way, the trope should not be listed under this episode and it's unlikely that it'll be the correct trope in any event.
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