Discussion Recap / DoctorWhoS32E11TheGodComplex

It's probably the Doctor himself, especially since that ties into the theme of this Series.

The other possible theories I can think of is that it's the Master, since the sound resembled the Paradox Machine, or that it's the TARDIS breaking down in some way. The first one doesn't really fit with the current storyline (And is only based on a callback), while the second is intertwined with the story of the previous series but doesn't seem like something the Doctor would react so calmly to.

I was expecting the Dream Lord again, being the manifestation of the Doctor's dark side and all.

I freeze framed the shot of his eye peering into the room. The reflection of the object/person/other (onto his eye) that he is looking at is extremely blurry, but it looks like it could be the white lettering that lines the top of the TARDIS (i.e., "Police Box Public Call".

What? Of COURSE I am over-reading things...

I'm tempted to say it's the Valeyard, but then the number would probably would be 12, especially since the Doctor's death in Utah is a fixed point in time as we know it.

It was Amelia. I was expecting it to be the Dream Lord but nope, little Amelia Pond. If you remember, he puts the "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door. The last room they show, the one the Minotaur dies outside, has the 'do not disturb' drop off as it disappears.

To Scardoll: That sound is the Tardis' Cloister bells not just the Paradox Machine. It's played at a few other times such as at the end of Turn Left. It is basically the "SERIOUS DANGER" alarm.

@keseri, can't be. The room that they were in was 7, according to the door, and the Doctor's was 11. Remember that the Minotaur walked a ways before he collapsed, and him being on the Doctor's door was probably a coincidence.

I interpreted it as the TARDIS fading away without him.

Maybe 7 and 11 were doors to the same room.

I thought that the doctor's biggest fear was him loosing that which he hold most dear, and he has the biggest faith in himself, the TARDIS. Whether it dying, or some other event. Also, the fear of loosing the biggest thing you have belief in, you cant really fall back on it, and the hotel kinda fails getting him to "Praise Him". Also, the Do Not Disturb sign would be to let the TARDIS die in peace

It was little!Amy — they were in the Doctor's room at the end, not Amy's.

For thoroughness's sake, The Time of the Doctor reveals that the Doctor's room contained another crack in time... and his line "who else" implies that he might have heard the Time Lords through it somehow. The scene at the end with the do not disturb sign doesn't show the viewer outright that it was on the same room the gang was in, although it was implied...

Nah, he hated pears. No idea about the Rubik's cube.

He did hate apples in the eleventh hour, could not spit that thing out. Though that could just be post regeneration weirdness.

My theory is that... well, it has something to do with the reporter going, "Crowds lined the mall today as Holy Roman Emperor Winston Churchill returned to the Buckingham Senate on his personal mammoth." (It's on the recap page for episode 13.)

Maybe reality is collapsing. Again. Things are going horribly, horribly wrong. The quote above is obviously wrong, the apple and the Rubik's Cube are more subtly wrong.

When he went for the apple in the first place, if I remember correctly, he was talking about how much detail went into the hotel to actually looking real. Along with how he reacted to the tea, I originally chalked it up to that they couldn't quite get everything right, like the taste

Or maybe he was just lying.

Because he's not a religious person. He's said on Confidential that he doesn't believe in souls or God or any of that, and based on what we've seen, he doesn't seem to hold a terribly high opinion of faith in general. While tragic, especially since this is a show that more often than not seems to go out of its way to accommodate for differences in worldview and show diversity in many of its aspects, Mr. Moffat seems to be allowing personal bias to impinge on that. Which, given his occupation as a writer, is no surprise. Doesn't stop the situation from sucking, but, there you are.

Maybe you're reading too much into it. Seeing as Moff didn't write it, and the minotaur feeds on all faith, not just religious faith.

I think that, yeah, he's biased towards faith. But it's conditional that he is biased towards unshakeable faith in corruptible ideals and imperfect people, and he's not using the G-Word out of respect. Or it opens a huge can of worms.

Would you prefer they portray the Doctor as some sort of Christ-like figure like many god-awful cringeworthy moments during the RTD era? Why shouldn't faith or religion be shown in a negative light? At the end of the day it's not going to always save you anyways. I never ever want to see the Doctor floating all lit up while people chant his name again...

You misunderstand, Carnivac, and you're not always right about the benefits of religion or faith. You talk like someone who's been burnt before, a scoffer, or doubter. Rory has faith...in NOTHING. That's why he kept seeing the exits...

And that is NOT a good thing. When you have faith in absolutely NOTHING, that's a terrible thing indeed. Absolute faith in the Doctor saved all of Earth, remember? The Archangel Network? I thought that was a great way to present faith and belief and trust in a way that had a practical application, because faith LITERALLY became power. We could use a few more examples like that.

Hark at the closed-mindedness. Do you actually know any atheists? Like, at all?

And Rory's had a lot of bad things happen to him and his family. I'd lose faith too.

I took it as less "Rory has no faith", more "Rory doesn't rely on something else to save him". Look at the other characters:

• Joe is a gambler. He believes that he can do things which affect how lucky he is (if I'm not mistaken, he had some kind of lucky charms?). Therefore, when Joe sees his worst fear, he starts hoping that he will be lucky and survive.

• Howie is a conspiracy theorist. No matter how bizarre, how terrifying things get, he will always think "It's a government thing, and someone will uncover it eventually".

• Gibbis immediately surrenders to hostile people. He believes that by doing this, he can save his life (probably the reason he ultimately survived, as it was clear that wouldn't work here).

• Amy believes that, no matter how bad things are, the Doctor will save her. She has seen that he's not perfect, but deep down, she still believes she will be safe as long as he's there.

Rory, on the other hand, has accepted that the Doctor can't always save people, and so his thought upon seeing his worst fear would be "I've got to do something", rather than hoping someone or something else would save him. He knows that the Doctor will probably come to help, but he's not going to depend on that hope.

That's how I took it anyway. I may have got it completely wrong.

I think the logic is that there needs to be a original Weeping Angel to copy in order to create a new one. Sketching one from memory or fabricating one out of hard light doesn't count. That or the holodeck makes them just non-Angel enough to turn so that the Minotaur can get to it's intended victim.

I can't remember exactly cos I don't have the episode here but in Blink was there one drawn in the stuff Sally gave the Doctor at the end or is my memory playing tricks on me? And anyways even if it was true I suppose a holodeck that taps into greatest fears would have some sort of failsafe to prevent an assumingly well known threat as the angels from manifesting and taking over the place.

@moocow1452, the hotel's image of the Angels must have come from someone who'd seen one, who carried its image in hir head in sufficient detail to program the hotel. Let's hope it had a failsafe...

Surely there's a little House of Leaves too. Not just the shifting rooms, but at one point didn't a shot of a red camera go to the POV of the minotaur? (red struck-out text is associated with the minotaur in HOL)

My impression of Rory's Door being the Fire Exit is not so much that the Hotel can't get to him, so much as his faith is that he's the voice of practicality of the group when things start hitting the fan, but in his mind, Amy is eating out of the Doctor's hand and Doc wouldn't give him the time of day, so he keeps his mouth shut, but knows he has a valid opinion. YMMV, and I'm not ever sure that's how he perceives the dynamic.