Discussion Recap / DoctorWhoS27E8FathersDay

Here's a scenario I started thinking about: what if the monsters got Rose's dad before he made it to the car, leaving Earth stuck like that? There would be perhaps a few thousand survivors scattered across the planet, heavily concentrated in Europe due to the number of ancient castles (except in Poland, where everything like that was destroyed in WWII). However, the penetration of the church shows that those might not hold up to determined assault. Permanent refuge in Europe might be found in Roman ruins. In North America, houses of the first New England colonists might hold out a little while, but they'd fail eventually. Various Native American sites might provide refuge in the Americas, though: the mounds in Ohio could be tunneled into, the pueblos in the Southwest were around for centuries, any Aztec or better yet Mayan ruins still capable of providing cover, et cetera. In Asia the Great Wall and similar structures in China would provide shelter, possibly expanded upon and modified by survivors holed up temporarily in Japanese castles. Egypt and Mesopotamia would also fare very well, possibly better than Europe in the long run: the pyramids, ancient temples, etc. would be old enough to establish permanent shelters for survivors holed up in mosques. The rest of the world is pretty much toast: I wouldn't expect more than a few hundred survivors in Australia (Aborigine structures weren't built to last), the Pacific islands (Hawaii, for example, wasn't even inhabited until about 500 CE), sub-Saharan Africa (the same problem as Australia - I could be wrong about this, though), and Central Asia combined. Food and other supplies would be tricky, but since people were shown outrunning these things, a person on a motorcycle or even bicycle might be able to run the gauntlet, and scavenge or even maintain crops (the creatures wouldn't know to destroy these). Maybe eventually the creatures would give up and leave, or a way to get rid of them would be found by trial and error.

Hello. I just wanted to let everyone that I added a trope to "Father's Day":

Fanon Discontinuity: Depending on how you view this episode, some fans pretend that "Father's Day" never existed because none of the established rules involving reapers ever came back after that episode.

(Also, can somebody please create a YMMV page for "Father's Day"? Because the trope I added needs to go in there.)

Does anyone else think that the critters from this episode are more highly evolved and/or better designed versions of the langoliers from The Langoliers? Great flappy CGI beasts with big old spikey quadruple jaws that come down and eat everything when you accidentally break the past. Or maybe they're some sort of related creature that eats paradoxes instead of eating the past. Either way, if you're unlucky enough to have watched The Langoliers you can't deny they're awfully familiar.