They're already listed under Porting Disaster (specifically the PortingDisaster.Consoles subpage), since this doesn't pertain the games themselves but rather ports which are widely agreed to be poorly handled.
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Does the Oculus Quest 2 VR headset and its mandatory Facebook integration count? Almost every discussion of the headset that I've seen have brought up concerns about the headset being useless if you don't/can't have a Facebook account or got banned, but on the other hand, I don't follow VR stuff too closely, so I can't be certain that the controversy hasn't died down by now.
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In my opinion, it's not a matter of if Cyberpunk 2077 will be subjected to this trope, but when.
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We don't trope either if OR when, though. So wait until it happens.
For the The Last of Us Part II entry, does the Game Awards really need to wait 6 months? The way I see it, the fact that the game winning so many awards was so controversial is proof that the game's original controversies from launch (and before, since it had a Content Leak that spoiled the whole plot) are still going strong 6 months later, so it's worth mentioning as part of the original controversy (rather than as a separate controversy which is too recent to count on its own).
For the The Last of Us Part II entry, does the Game Awards really need to wait 6 months? The way I see it, the fact that the game winning so many awards was so controversial is proof that the game's original controversies from launch (and before, since it had a Content Leak that spoiled the whole plot) are still going strong 6 months later, so it's worth mentioning as part of the original controversy (rather than as a separate controversy which is too recent to count on its own).
Someone removed the Aliens CM entry just because they felt the game was not overshadowed enough by its controversies.
One of the most controversial games of the seventh generation was removed for dumb myopic reasons.
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You don't need to be a jerk about it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Pulling this to discuss before it goes full blown edit war:
- Fallout 76:
- Before the game was released, it was discovered that the game features both the Brotherhood of Steel and the Super Mutants. The reason this was a major problem by fans of the franchise (who take Fallout lore very seriously) was due to the game being set before the first game, way before the Brotherhood becomes the Knight Templars in shiny armor they are known for, and way before the creation of the Mariposa Super Mutants, what are stated to be the first Super Mutants in the wasteland with the West Coast wastelanders being the ones that named them Super Mutants in the first place. In response to the backlash, Bethesda claimed that they weren't going to be beholden to decades-old lore but also that their presence in the game was going to be explained. In the end, many fans just saw their inclusion in the game as an excuse to reuse assets and brand recognition.
- It launched with many glitches, bad graphics, and poor optimization. Many players pinned this on the ancient (for software) engine for the game, which dates back to 1997, more than twenty years old at the time of launch. Such an engine was hardly meant to be used for a 2018 always-online triple-A title. On top of all this, a significant amount of content in the game was recycled from both Fallout 4 and Skyrim - up to and including multiple bugs previously fixed in those games, because the devs were apparently used to letting the fans fix them.
- The canvas bag debacle. Bethesda promised fans an impressive military-style canvas bag as part of its $200 preorder special edition, only to allegedly run out of materials and substitute the canvas with nylon without notifying customers ahead of time. Their infamous apology over it when fans started complaining about receiving a cheap nylon bag just fanned the flames further, as Bethesda clearly proved that, even at most generous, they had known about the issue in advance but stayed silent about it and let numerous people keep buying something they wouldn't be getting... while also having the chutzpah to say they still considered this one of the greatest preorder bonuses they've ever had and that they had no plans to do anything about the deception. To really rub salt in the wound, their initial compensation for irritated customers was 500 Atoms, or five dollars worth of in-game currency for microtransactions - which isn't even enough to buy anything on its own in-game other than light wood laminate
.note While Bethesda acquiesced and said it would be sending people replacement canvas bags in six months, it got even worse when a bug in the company's website made it so people that submitted tickets for a replacement bag were accidentally allowed access to the personal information of everyone else doing the same. The company responded with a pithy "Hi guys, we've resolved this issue," which naturally not many people were happy with.
The first and second are critiques, not controversies. Certainly not ones that overshadow the game itself.
The canvas bag thing, though? Absolutely counts. I've never touched the game and it's basically the only thing I know about it. There's a Youtube series about troubled development and controversies ("Wha' Happun'") that's done two videos on this subject for a reason.
It's not a stretch to say that in 2020, if you know literally one thing about the game, it's Bag-gate.
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- Another notable thing was the Nuka Dark Rum package manufactured by the Silver Screen Bottling Company, which supposedly included a snazzy glass bottle to keep on your shelf. Except that after being delayed for months, it turned out to just be a badly-designed plastic shell around a regular bottle, which even made pouring the rum a real pain and was easily broken if you tried to open it. Silver Screen made pathetic excuses like that they never said it wouldn't be plastic (when literally all their marketing for the product clearly depicted a frosted glass bottle), claimed they spent a hundred hours coding the design (you don't need to write code for a 3D model), and even complained that it was more expensive to make this way than doing real glass bottles, which just raised the question of, in the event they were telling the truth this time, why they didn't just do it the cheaper yet better way that would have made everyone happy. And as you'd probably expect, the rum itself tastes bad too.
The Nuka-Rum thing was controversial but was not directly related to Fallout 76 (It was more related to Bethesda/ZeniMax rather than the game), I also removed the "Fallout is supposed to be single player" sub-entry since that was more YMMV than an event or fact. However, the rest happened and people still talk about and has followed the reputation of the game whenever it goes.
Also, Fallout 1st might need a bullet point. Considering that the domain falloutfirst.com was purchased by people pissed off about it, that's pretty concrete backlash. Not to mention just googling "Fallout 1st" is pretty much nothing but articles on how it went horribly wrong.
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The Cavas Bag and Fallout 1st controversies are directly related to FO 76 and deserve to be listed. The Nuka Dark Rum is more related to Bethesda and FO as a whole, not just this one game.
There is a dedicated OBC cleanup thread here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15417159170A60176600&page=7 where discussion is happening. We should probably keep all discussion in one spot to prevent confusion.
BTW, there is a known glitch on Discussion pages where clickable links break, but if you copy-paste the URL into your browser it should work.
I don't think we have a consensus. Some people think the example should be brought back (in a rewritten form) and some people who think it shouldn't.
I vote that it should be brought back (minus some parts). The main argument for why it isn't OBC is that the game is universally hated, so it's not controversial to say "Fallout 76 is a horrible game", but there are some fans out there. The internet seems to be split into two groups: people who think the game has been improved enough to be worth playing, and people who still think Fallout 76 needs to die and merely playing it is unethical.
Then we should add an extremely abridged summary of the game's reputation without going into details.
How can the game be "overshadowed" by disagreement over whether the game is any good? The subject of the disagreement is still the game. It can't be overshadowed by itself, that's a contradiction in terms.
Other than High Crate, I believe everyone's in agreement that the Bag-gate deserves mention, I haven't seen anyone disagree that Fallout 1st deserves a bullet, either.
The game being incredibly buggy is something of a point of contention, even among non-High Crate people.
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A year has happened and people are still bitter about (or make fun of) of the game's buggy state, the bag, Fallout First.
So yeah, it should have an entry.
Just because someone has yet to kill a person in name of/because of the game doesn't mean it's not controversial.
Again, the game can't be "overshadowed" by its own quality or lack thereof. That's not how being overshadowed works.
Based on your standards, we should remove all games that lacked an Aliens: Colonial Marines, Doom or Mortal Kombat-level controversies/cl*sterf*cks.
You are missing my point. A work cannot be overshadowed by itself. The quality or lack thereof of a work may indeed by controversial, but that controversy cannot overshadow the work if it's about the work.
Overshadowed by Controversy: The show lasted seven seasons, but the only thing anyone remembers about it was that one episode with that one line that was kinda racist. The entire rest of the work got overshadowed by that one line, even though that's not really what the work was about.
Not Overshadowed by Controversy: Some people really liked the work and some people really didn't and they argue about the merits of the work as a whole a lot, discussing the pros and cons of the entirety of the work.
See the difference? It's not the level of controversy, it's whether the work was overshadowed.
Well, Fallout 76 fits your criteria, from its quality, the bags and Fallout 1st and all the stupid things Todd Howard and Pete Hines have said that people still quote even a year later.
It has been overshadowed by all those stuff.
You still don't get it, and I'm not sure how else to explain what should be a fairly simple concept. A work's "quality" is not something external to the work that is capable of overshadowing the work. The quality is the work.
Now, the other stuff, we might disagree about whether it applies. I don't believe that the thing with the bags has actually overshadowed the work— I haven't heard anybody talking about it since roughly the month of release. But it's at least theoretically possible that I'm wrong, and since consensus seems to be running against me on that one, then whatever, so be it, agree to disagree.
But a work cannot be overshadowed by its own quality. It's a logical contradiction in terms. The work's quality is the thing being overshadowed, not the thing doing the overshadowing.
We should put this to vote since we can't agree if the game is controversial or not.
Do the Nintendo Switch ports of Kingdom Hearts games count? The announcement of the Switch ports was met with backlash when it was revealed that the ports would be cloud server-based, including the remasters of the first two games, which made their original debut on the PlayStation 2 and could've easily been native ports.
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