"Like a teacher/parent/foster-guardian abusing their guardianship rights over the Teen Hero or something?"
Abusive Parents and/or Sadist Teacher
"There's one in the Mastermind MHA fanfic (Which is why I'm here), more HP-Bash stories than I have lived hours, one canon instance of a Young Justice (DC Comics) Member - Arrowette's parents forced her into the Hero business for the fame. And then Shoto Toderoki from MHA, his Father Abused all his kids regardless of age. "
Still Abusive Parents
"Zuko from Avatar and The Schnee Siblings from RWVY likely qualify too. "
Abusive Parents again.
The thing is, while there is a certain oomph to hurting someone who's in your care (which is why Abusive Parents is a trope), there is no narrative significance to the fact that these guys are teens. When they're are children there is an extra layer of heinousness due to the fact that children are defenseless. And if they AREN'T defenceless, it can establish a Crapsack World, by saying "Look how messed up this place is if even kids need to know how to fight", or establish someone's cruelty by forcing them to do it (hence Child Soldier trope). That's not the case for teens, where narrative significance usually comes from other aspects of abuse, rather than the fact that they're teens.
The Brazillian Dog!
The limit age of the trope should be 14. The trope itself says that it only applies to some of those in their early teens, who are people between the ages of 13 and 14, because they entered adolescence recently and do not have the same maturity as a older teenager, 16 or 17 years old. So I do not agree to put the age limit to 12, as I see no difference between hurting a 12 year old and hurting a 13 year old just because the 13 year old has already entered puberty. Most of the time, a 13 year old is not physically stronger than a 12 year old, which we can no longer talk about when we compare a 12 year old and a 15 or 16 year old. A 16 year old will actually be physically stronger and in most cases mature than a 13 year old and a 12 year old preteen. For this reason, I do not agree with placing older teenagers on the same level as children or even with teenagers aged 13 or 14, who recently left childhood. The 13-14 year old, even though is a teenager, is not as physically strong or mature as a 16 or 17 year old.
Given that the age range for a Kid Hero varies from 8 to 17, does it really make sense to say that this trope doesn't apply to teenagers?
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Well, the reasoning is that "teenagers are physically stronger than children and lack the "completely defenseless" element, especially if Teens Are Monsters."
I know, but in that case, shouldn't the definition for "Kid Hero" be altered to reflect various tropes that apply to kids?
I agree to remove midle teenagers (15-17 years old), but leave younger ones (13-14), as they are not yet physically as strong as the older ones and are closer to pre-adolescence and childhood. I don't really see a significant difference between a 12 year old and a 13 year old. But I see a significant difference in the physical maturity of a 13 year old and a 16 year old. At 16 or 17 years old, most adolescents already look like they are of legal age, while at 13 or 14, most do not give that impression. The main cast of the 2017 IT reboot, for example, which makes up the losers' club is mostly composed of 13-year-olds, but they still look like pre-teens and non-teens (with the exception of Bill and Bervely).
For the purpose of this thread, what is the definition of "child"? I saw one example where someone tries to kill a 14 year old, in a setting where 14 year olds are treated like adults, and I'm wondering if that counts.
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14 year old is a teenager, which is not a child. It's hard to tell exactly hat qualifies as a child, but as a rule of thumb, if it's expected to be immature, it probably qualifies.
I'm pretty sure 14-year-olds would still count, since they are not entirely post-pubescent. Any rare prepubescent and mentally deficient examples of a teen probably counts.
There are several definitions for the term "child". There is one that is limited to pre-puberty, excluding adolescents from the definition, who have already started puberty; and there are those who define "child" as one who has not reached the legal age of majority to be considered an adult, and who places children and adolescents in the same group. I particularly think that early teenages (13-14) can count, as they have just left childhood, are in the early stages of puberty and adolescence, and generally do not have the physical maturity of a 16 or 17 year old teenager. I don't see much difference between hurting a 13-year-old and a 12-year-old. But there is a difference between hurting a 13-year-old and a 17-year-old, because the 17-year-old will be physically stronger than the 13-year-old who just came out of childhood and enter teen years/puberty.
Might I suggest the name be renamed "Child Murder is a special kind of evil"?
You probably suggest it in the Image Pickin forums
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Nihilist Hippie
"It's about adults physically hurting children, fatally or not, be they related or not."
I have to wonder, does this include spanking and the like?
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I wouldn't say it goes nearly as far as the various other examples. Parents who spank their children are, as far as I am aware, usually not trying to seriously hurt those children or to do anything that could be seen as actual child abuse.
Sorry to dig up such an old discussion again, but I just wanted to say that, while spanking is certainly not as severe as other forms of beating children, it still is a form of beating children, and it does cause physical (and emotional) pain. I am aware that most parents who spank their children are not doing it specifically in order to hurt them, but even so, this does not change the fact that it hurts them. I understand that the spanking debate is a very complicated issue and that opinions vary as to where discipline ends and abuse begins, but I don't really think that it's possible to draw a clear line between spanking and child abuse.
Lord of Hell
Wouldn't it make more sense if the image shown Sideshow Bob trying to kill Bart instead of Mr. Burns?
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Why? Why one instead of the other? (Not that I've ever seen "the Simpsons")
Do we have a trope for the teen version of this?
- Like a teacher/parent/foster-guardian abusing their guardianship rights over the Teen Hero or something?
- There's one in the Mastermind MHA fanfic (Which is why I'm here), more HP-Bash stories than I have lived hours, one canon instance of a Young Justice (DC Comics) Member - Arrowette's parents forced her into the Hero business for the fame. And then Shoto Toderoki from MHA, his Father Abused all his kids regardless of age.
- Zuko from Avatar and The Schnee Siblings from RWVY likely qualify too.
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