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ssimo3 Since: Nov, 2017
Dec 24th 2020 at 1:42:36 PM •••

I’ve been watching many Christmas movies as of late, and I noticed that one thing stands out among the examples of Yet Another Christmas Carol when compared to the examples of It's a Wonderful Plot, Gift of the Magi Plot , etc. The examples of Yet Another Christmas Carol are nearly always Exactly What It Says on the Tin, whereas the examples of the other tropes provide no clue as to which plot they recycle if any at all. I’m wondering if, for each subtrope of this trope, anybody can comment on the likelihood that somebody will know that a work is an example of the subtrope before consuming the work.

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Ambaryerno Since: Aug, 2011
Mar 21st 2020 at 5:17:53 PM •••

Where exactly is the line between one work being a Whole-Plot Reference of another, or two stories that just happen to share similar story beats? Between this trope and The Seven Basic Plots it becomes nearly impossible to have a work that could not be viewed as such.

It strikes me that this should be considered a form of Shout-Out, and should therefore require an explicit reference to the previous work along the same vein.

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VulgarBee I AM KING OF THE BEACH!! Since: Jun, 2016
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R.G. Since: Jan, 2001
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Sep 21st 2012 at 11:47:34 AM •••

Page has been merged from Fable Remake to Whole-Plot Reference: [1]

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Libris Since: Mar, 2010
Sep 7th 2010 at 7:03:35 AM •••

I think there's a variant when a well-know character (Mickey Mouse, Barbie,Walter Melon...)start a serie (or a serie of movies) where he plays the part of a famous other hero (like a real actor.)

Mickey was once Jack of the beanstalk,d'Artagnan,the prince and the pauper,Bob Crachitt...and Barbie was Rapunzel,Clara,Odette, and -females-Ebnezer Scrooge,prince and the pauper,and d'Artagnan too.

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Libris Since: Mar, 2010
Sep 8th 2010 at 2:14:08 PM •••

That's it...thanks! To respond VVK, I'll say the Whole-Plot Reference is when you're still in the usual universe,(and it's canon) that's the story the characters live that look like a well known story .

In Fable Remake, we're in a dream, a story tell by a character, in a play, etc,beacause we're in another space and time and the characters can have their name modified (and have those in original fable )And it's often count as non canon.

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 16th 2011 at 3:18:07 PM •••

OK, well it doesn't really explain that in the description. And in that case, how is it different to Universal-Adaptor Cast? Or, for that matter, Twice-Told Tale? It doesn't seem like we really need four different tropes to cover this concept.

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VVK Since: Jun, 2009
Jun 28th 2010 at 5:35:11 AM •••

Is there really a difference between this and Whole-Plot Reference?

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