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Nunouno1 Since: May, 2018
Nov 9th 2023 at 7:59:12 PM •••

There’s vanilla protagonists, but can there be vanilla antagonists?

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DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
Jan 27th 2024 at 9:48:24 AM •••

Generic Doomsday Villain seems closest to what you're looking for, though that one's seen a lot of discussion about whether it's too negative.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 10:11:25 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Complaining, started by Rebochan on Dec 2nd 2013 at 7:32:59 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 8:58:17 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Complaining, started by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jun 20th 2018 at 12:38:00 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Mar 12th 2020 at 8:18:37 AM •••

Is Buffy an example? The way the entry is written makes it sound like she's not ordinary enough to be one, but I haven't seen the show, so I can't tell if it's just the way the entry is written or not.

TheAmazingBlachman Since: Dec, 2011
May 14th 2016 at 6:51:25 AM •••

Why is this marked as YMMV? The way it is described, it seems to be about a deliberate choice from the creator's side to make their protagonist this way.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
May 15th 2016 at 6:18:53 AM •••

I am guessing because it attracted trope misuse.

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173.66.210.46 Since: Dec, 1969
Mar 5th 2010 at 6:58:15 PM •••

This might be a Subjective Trope, as not everyone's going to agree with some of the examples.

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ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
Jan 26th 2012 at 8:13:20 PM •••

Agreed. I've especially never gotten the "Buffy is boring compared to the other characters" thing. Just...no.

84788484 Since: Apr, 2011
Jun 13th 2013 at 9:02:42 AM •••

Honestly a lot of the examples come off as "Complaining About Protagonists You Don't Like" as it is.

LeithSol Since: Jul, 2011
Jun 13th 2013 at 9:44:44 AM •••

The trope might need some cleanup, but its at least as worthy to keep around as Sidekick Glass Ceiling.

Rebochan Since: Jan, 2001
Nov 29th 2013 at 12:02:25 AM •••

This entire trope is just "Complaining About Protagonists You Don't Like." The opening intro is short and vague and tells you nothing of real use but "Side characters are more interesting than main characters." And you know what? In shows with large casts, this is expected. When the intro even tries to handwave that this character can somehow still qualify despite also being a really popular character, it's just opening the floodgates for "I like this character better, why isn't s/he the protagonist?!" Which is subjective, but not a trope.

LeithSol Myself Since: Jul, 2011
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Jul 16th 2013 at 1:02:59 PM •••

A lot of people would argue seeing as Goku is one of the most popular characters of that show. Gohan was kicked out down from protagonist duty cause they did not like him enough and Vegeta and Piccolo have there own fans yet do not do that much more then Goku. There might be an argument that Goku is a designated protagonist, but that was not it.

It should be noted that antagonist do not count in a trope about protagonists... otherwise who would be the antagonist?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Mar 21st 2013 at 1:55:05 PM •••

Should the Community example be there? Jeff really never was the main character (and even less so in later season), the show has been an ensemble cast show. Honestly he's more a Bait And Switch Protagonist since while early promo materials made him out to be the star, it wound up being a true ensemble.

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Charsi Since: Aug, 2011
Apr 25th 2013 at 10:41:14 AM •••

As I remember they all were shown when mentioned in the Dean's welcome speech. And Jeff has features as The Charmer, Manipulative Bastard and Deadpan Snarker.

EMY3K Since: Sep, 2009
Jul 29th 2012 at 3:55:58 PM •••

Removed the "Game Of Thrones" example.

  • On Game Of Thrones, the Starks and Jon Snow are perfectly interesting characters, they just happen to be less interesting than ... virtually everyone they interact with. Daenerys Targaryen suffers from this to a lesser extent as well.

Surfing online, I haven't found this to be the case at all.

Bionicman Since: Oct, 2009
Feb 14th 2012 at 11:19:48 PM •••

A character who is consistently rated as the most popular character in the show doesn't qualify as an example of this trope. Broken Base and Rooting for the Empire (among others) are more appropriate tropes to describe a main character that some of the fandom doesn't like.

VVK Since: Jun, 2009
Mar 12th 2010 at 3:02:27 AM •••

"Standardized Leader is a Sub-Trope, and the two often overlap." How could a trope not overlap with its super trope?

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