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Does anyone know where I can find this book referenced on this page? There isn't enough info given for me to find it. "Northern Irish novel Popular"

Cut for not actually being examples:

• Haruka Suzushiro from the Mai-HiME manga, apparently feels that girls having relations with other girls is wrong. Although in her Lotus-Eater Machine dream, she rules the school and all women serve her naked. Especially her rival Shizuru, who wears a leather dog collar and is made to get down on hands and knees so Haruka can use her as a nude bench (note that Yukino, her childhood friend who honestly has a crush on her, is exempt from this treatment). How does Haruka get out of the dream? She refuses to accept that she could ever be that happy.
  • In the anime version, Natsuki Kuga fits this trope, though she isn't confirmed to be gay until one of the art books. She's the perfect stereotype of a biker dyke (if perhaps a fair bit more attractive than per the stereotype), and Mai mentions that her lack of interest in any men has most of the school thinking she's gay. Natsuki's reaction to this is a mix of surprise and bluster, though she never exactly denies it.

If you need to be wearing yuri goggles to see it, it's not this trope. More important, if it's not confirmed, it's not this trope. We have no actual evidence for either character. (One line in an artbook isn't canon, it's Word of Gay at best.)

What's the difference between this and Armoured Closet Gay?

I don't feel like it's important whether or not the character considers his or herself gay for this trope. I think this trope should be split into type 1: People like the ones described, and Type 2: A character who knows they're gay, and thinks they're fooling everyone, but everyone can tell.

Unless I'm missing something, some of the examples don't seem to fit. As I understand it, the standard for this trope is whether other characters know that the "closeted" character is gay, not whether the audience knows they're gay. In which case Salvatore Romano in Mad Men wouldn't seem to fit (at least judging by the description here; I don't watch the show), nor Glinda in Wicked. Possibly others too although I haven't gone through the entry with a fine-toothed comb.