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Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran Since: Aug, 2014
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Feb 16th 2022 at 10:12:29 PM •••

What in the world is going on with this example?

  • According to the official bio for Team Fortress 2's Soldier, after being rejected from all branches of the military he flew to Europe on his own and embarked on a 'Nazi killing spree', which ended when he heard news of the war's end. In 1949.
    • The Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) and the Chinese Communist Party were nearly annihilated after the Japanese sacked Chongqing. However, some warlords in the mountains loyal to the KMT were never fully defeated, and there’s still some scattered bands of communist guerrillas in Shanxi.
    • The very last Free French garrison continues to cling to the Ivory Coast.
    • Whenever one of Nazi Germany’s far-flung, poorly managed, guerrilla-laden colonies inevitably collapses, there’s often a faction (or two) representing the stranded German settlers and garrison personnel.

It's nominally from one work, has a quote from a second, and then some bullet points that frankly don't seem like they belong to either. It seems to me like the result of clumsy copy-pasting, but looking through the page history I'm not actually certain I know what actually happened.

Raxis Raxis Since: Jan, 2001
Raxis
Dec 6th 2016 at 12:49:25 PM •••

How do you tell the difference between this trope and La Résistance?

Totema Since: Oct, 2010
Apr 7th 2015 at 10:21:32 PM •••

Perhaps we should organize examples on whether or not they are: 1. Organized efforts by (at least some of) the leaders of the defeated group to revive the group, or, 2. Independent efforts by folks on the frontlines who hadn't learned that their group had been defeated. Thoughts?

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Apr 8th 2015 at 12:17:30 AM •••

"Type" splits are discouraged and soft-splits are usually a trouble source, so I am thinking "no".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever Since: Nov, 2010
You Give Me Fever
Aug 5th 2014 at 10:40:50 AM •••

The Undefeated was a better name for this page.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes Hide / Show Replies
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Aug 5th 2014 at 10:54:39 AM •••

That kinda sounds like the exact opposite... The Undefeated sounds like the winner of the war.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Aug 5th 2014 at 10:56:06 AM •••

The Undefeated sounds like a trope for people who are never defeated. Very much not what this trope is about.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
IndirectActiveTransport Since: Nov, 2010
Aug 7th 2014 at 5:56:16 PM •••

But it also sounds like what a group like this would refer to themselves as, especially those that don't know the war is supposedly "over". And if the "winners" can't get rid of a "remnant", is it really right to call it a remnant?

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Aug 8th 2014 at 6:10:20 AM •••

... yes? That's what makes it a remnant... the fact it remains.

And the thing is, maybe they'd refer to themselves as "undefeated" but you know who else would (and has a much better claim to it)? The guys who won the war.

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LogoP Since: May, 2013
Aug 8th 2014 at 8:19:45 AM •••

So... was Free France during WW 2 The Undefeated? Think not. That's why they are called The Remnant. It's a much more suitable name.

Edited by 46.12.152.223 It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
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