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MagBas MagBas Since: Jun, 2009
MagBas
Dec 15th 2011 at 4:10:36 PM •••

  • The debates will continue forever about whether or not Ron and Hermione fall into this or Slap-Slap-Kiss. They definitely acknowledge that they're an Odd Couple, the question is just how odd and if it works or not. Standard disclaimers apply.

  • The shippers of this couple may disagree, but Amy and Ben on The Secret Life Of The American Teenager. There were a few genuinely affectionate moments between them during the early part of their relationship. A few weeks into their relationship, he found out she had become pregnant before they met. He pledged his eternal devotion anyway, and it went into a downhill spiral of on-again, off-again from there. Amy is constantly whining to Ben about everything, being paranoid if she sees him talking to another girl, and always finds something to complain about even when he's trying to do something nice for her. Some people tried to pass this off as "pregnancy hormones", but she stayed like this after she had the baby. On Ben's side, his "true love" for Amy apparently means being obsessive and clingy, pledging more than once that they are soul mates and are going to be married. He also has the same paranoia Amy has when it comes to the opposite sex, including him storming out in a jealous rage when he found the baby daddy in her house visiting the kid. We probably shouldn't even start on the fact that he only initially went out with her because he wanted to lose his virginity and she seemed to be in his league.

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AceOfSpades719 Since: Sep, 2023
Sep 17th 2023 at 9:47:51 AM •••

I want to add John and Joan Garrideb as an example of this but I don't know how. Joan is incredibly violent towards John, pouring hot tea on him and slapping him and throwing fire pokers and knives at him when shes mad. The writers seem to think they are going for a 'Like an Old Married Couple' type of situation but it is definitely more of a Masochism Tango

Hyoroemon Since: Aug, 2013
Mar 16th 2023 at 1:28:07 AM •••

Durara example doesnt fill describe Definition: the writers are fully aware and it's the characters who insist that their relationship is just great "despite being blatantly unsuited for each other. They are constantly screaming at each other or worse, and yet the characters insist they like each other" Being x doesnt negate y Having conflict and tolerating is normal part of relation

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 23rd 2021 at 7:47:54 AM •••

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Rename to Dysfunctional Duo:, started by Xzenu on Oct 18th 2010 at 2:11:55 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kereea Since: Dec, 2010
Apr 30th 2014 at 6:45:57 AM •••

Would this count as the trope if say, Bob is a horrible person and Alice knows it and hates him, but Bob (for some reason) thinks the relationship is working and for whatever reason Alice is playing along (outside coercion or something) and even though she hates it she still sees some traits she likes in Bob (and also kinds of hates herself for that and wonders if she's going Stockholm Syndrome)?

Xzenu Since: Apr, 2010
May 2nd 2010 at 2:44:17 AM •••

While the trope is good, the title is not. The song it's based on ridicules a sexual minority. The song is also very old and spreads myths and prejudices that was common back in those days.

So, the title "The Masochism Tango" would be better for a trope of the same kind as "Depraved Homosexuals": a trope about prejudice.

What should the current "Masochism Tango" be called? Preferably something that does NOT have masochism or BDSM in the title. "I Just Want My Beloved To Feel Crappy." is accurate but not very catchy. For now I suggest that we use that name, but I'll try to figure out a better name and hope someone else figure out a better one first. :-)

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SomeGuy Since: Jan, 2001
May 2nd 2010 at 3:30:01 PM •••

That's only obvious information to those familiar with the historical context. Outside of that context, this title describes the trope perfectly.

See you in the discussion pages.
Xzenu Since: Apr, 2010
May 3rd 2010 at 1:57:40 AM •••

Yeah, if one is familiar with the song but not with actual masochism then it fits neatly.

However, the song is the ONLY connection between the trope title and the actual trope... and most people havn't even heard the song.

This makes it a bad trope title even if we don't consider the Unfortunate Implications.

Maybe this trope could be called Dysfunctional Duo instead?

originalhobbit Since: Dec, 2009
Jan 31st 2011 at 8:22:28 PM •••

Relationship Yo-Yo?

Edited by originalhobbit It's a good thing our last name isn't Drew, because then you'd be Nancy Drew and I'd be Andrew Drew. -Andy Botwin
Xzenu Since: Apr, 2010
Jan 31st 2011 at 11:54:52 PM •••

Much better, since these relationships doesn't have to be dysfunctional at all.

geneslamm Since: Dec, 2010
May 18th 2011 at 6:58:43 AM •••

You need to learn to appreciate parody.

I'm Gene Slamm, and this i my place.
Kereea Since: Dec, 2010
Apr 30th 2014 at 6:43:27 AM •••

I think the name is just too ubiquitous. Keep it until something else comes up.

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012
Dec 5th 2012 at 11:23:20 AM •••

Would the relationship between the narrator and the subject of Shakira's Objection (Tango) count? The relationship as described of Masochism Tango is much clearer in the Spanish version (well, all Shakira's songs make more sense in Spanish) Te Aviso, Te Anuncio (Tango). It is, also, an actual tango. The first line (of the Spanish, translated to English) is "I never (would have) thought that love hurt so much".

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012
Dec 5th 2012 at 11:46:03 AM •••

Moreover, the narrator says she's leaving but when the subject shows interest in another steps right back in to explain "Tango is not for three" though the next lines are "I'm planning my escape there, and I get upside down(or come back), but I'll try again and again" (the Spanish one, the English one hints at dysfunctional polygamy instead).

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