Discussion Main / SympathyForTheDevil

What's wrong with adding Real Life examples to this trope? Does it glorify bad people or is it too controversial?

Removed this ugly mess of Justifying Edit from the Lucifer entry. If it could be reintegrated without oddity by someone who understands, that might be good

• Ironically, the First of the Fallen fits the trope too, as he is actually God's Own Conscience which God amputated as it was inhibiting God from fully exercising omnipotence. The Fo F was God's companion for a time until God stopped speaking to FOF when FOF disagreed with the concept of free will (which even the angels later agreed was a bad idea — it actually led to The Fall — as it ultimately resulted in the suffering of sentient beings), and was finally banished from Heaven, when he accidentally came across a now-maddened God secretly absent-mindedly masturbating while drooling, who was, of course, absolutely embarrassed at being caught, and as a result FOF was banished from Heaven and became the first entity to ever be exiled to Hell. Enranged and embittered at his unfair and unjust treatment, the Fo F then became a revolutionary who sincerely sought to improve the universe by deposing it's insane creator, but as time passed, he was absolutely unaware that he was slowly but surely becoming just as bad as the mad God he was seeking to overthrow, until it was already far too late and he had indeed become the villain he had always been made out to be. In fact, he only realized this (and the fact that he was originally God's Conscience) when Constanine expressly pointed it out to him.
  • No such character originally existed in the Lucifer comic, and many fans view it as an incredibly clumsy Retcon on the matter.

• Both The Sandman and Hellblazer used the Ruler Of Hell in story arcs published at the same time. Where Sandman's was a polite fallen angel who got stuck with a lousy job, Hellblazer's was a deal-happy arrogant Jerkass getting outwitted by John Constantine. Since both Vertigo titles were using the same shared universe, the publishers had to create follow-up tales of how Lucifer from Sandman was a bored disconnected aristocratic demon who kept Satan AKA First Of the Fallen in line. It helps that Biblical scholarship on the matter does allow for Satan and Lucifer to be two different entities.