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, started by Larkmarn on Jan 20th 2015 at 8:18:08 AM
What do you call a suspiciously similar substitute that is inverted? Like Jill Roberts to Sydney in Scream? Or Malcolm Fade to Magnus Bane in the Shadowhunters/Dark Artifices books?
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In music: As stated on the main page, DJ Ashba is suspiciously similar to Slash (thus backlashed as being a Scrappy by most fans of the band and earning the nickname "DJ Slashba"). However, this trope appeared in GNR long before this, with Matt Sorrum's strange resemblance to Steven Adler and especially with any rhythm guitarist following Izzy Stradlin's departure aping his attitude, guitar playing and look to a point where Gilby Clarke was constantly mistaken as Stradlin when he first toured with the band.
Anthrax, on the contrary, avoided this trope fairly well with their singers, Neil Turbin's classic vocal style being different from Joey Belladonna's, whose voice was more powerful and operatic, while John Bush's take was more on a grungy (bordeline "yarl")side. Another good example of this is Bruce Dickinson having nothing in common with Paul Di Anno, singing wise.
Aside from the questions over the definition of this trope, these characters haven't replaced anyone yet. Maybe the rumors will be confirmed, but at the present this fails the [[How to Write an Example "Don't Speculate, Don't Prognosticate"]] rule.
- Marvel is headed this route with The Inhumans, effectively making them replacements for mutants. When the Inhumans were first introduced, they were an elite society of superhumans who segregated themselves away from the rest of humanity, and walled themselves off in a hidden city. Then Infinity came along and established a Secret Legacy which revealed that numerous humans around the globe are actually dormant Inhumans, and a release of Terrigen Mists activated their latent powers. Now Marvel is pushing these new hybrid Inhumans by using the same themes of prejudice and Fantastic Racism associated with the X-Men, to the point that fans have pointed out the redundancy.
- The speculation is that Marvel is doing this in order to position the Inhumans as their replacements for the mutants in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, since Fox, not Marvel, owns the film rights to the X-Men. It's been strongly rumored that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver will be Inhumans rather than mutants in The Avengers: Age of Ultron, and that Marvel will use this to explain any non-X-related mutants they still own.
In Sports, the former Atlanta Thrashers could be considered a Suspiciously Similar Substitute of the former Atlanta Flames:
- Both teams were founded during a period of league expansion (the Flames during the late 60s/early 70s expansion period and the Thrashers during the 90s expansion period).
- Both teams were well attended in early-on, but attendance waned after the first few seasons.
- Both teams lost money due to mismanagement while in Atlanta.
- Both teams were ultimately moved to Canada (the Flames to Calgary in 1980 and the Thrashers to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the second generation Jets).
I don't recall thinking Katherine Hillard had ever become a clone of Kimberly, I remember preferring her to Kimberly both as a Femme Fatale and as a Pink Ranger.
This page is overloaded with substitutes who aren't and weren't intended to be similar.
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Agreed. Whenever a character is replaced by someone that isn't suspiciously similar, it doesn't seem like it would be a subversion as quoted numerous times in the article. It seems like it would just be 'not an example of this trope'.
This article is so cluttered with examples that aren't of the trope described.
Subjectively, there's a fine line between a Troll and someone who lives just to piss you off.
Final Fantasy X-2 replaced both Auron and Lulu from FFX with Payne who had a combination of their personalities, roles and visual styles.
Not a character, but there was also the replacement of the Fahrenheit (never named in-game but known from official literature) with the Celcius as the main airship. This and the numerous other airship replacements in the FF games and follow up movies.
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- Kyra from Phantasy Star IV could be viewed as an Alys replacement, with her boomerang and Foi spells.
- Those are the only two things they have in common. Kyra does learn the Foi family of spells, and she does use boomerangs, but they have none of the same skills, have very different personalities, and are visually total opposites. If anything, Kyra might be close to what Alys was like in her much younger years, but nothing about Kyra makes her a candidate for a Replacement Alys. (it also doesn't help that there are two major boss battles and several plot events between the last weapon meant for Alys and the first one meant for Kyra)
- Although they both act as a big sister to Chaz
Based in the reply, she not fits.
- In the remakes of Generation II Pokemon games, Gold and Silver, the original female playable character, (who, admittedly did not appear until Crystal,) Kris, has been replaced by another character, dubbed "Soul" by the fandom. Her appearance is relatively similar to Kris, (leading some to think she's just a redesigned version of her,) and seems to fit this trope so far.
- It's still unknown if Kotone is a redesigned Kris.
- In the anime, they've been seen as completely separate characters, Marina and Lyra. Marina was a character in the anime special The Legend of Thunder who made some cameos in ads and on a t-shirt in the third series. Late in the third series, Lyra shows up and gives Dawn a Cyndaquill egg and asks if Dawn and Ash are a couple.
- In Pokémon Special, both trainers are treated as the same character. It helps that Crystal was originally depicted with brown hair to begin with◊.
- It's still unknown if Kotone is a redesigned Kris.
She is so close to a Suspiciously Similar Substitute when all the female playable characters.
- Final Fantasy V replaces the character Galuf with his grandaughter Krile, and she literally inherits his powers when the crystals transfer from him to her.
The only powers that she shares with her father that she not shares with all the other characters are the level and the ability of use some jobs abilities in other jobs. Her base stats, in special, are the exact opposite than her father and she is a totally different character overall.
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Pulled:
- Katie Holmes opted out of the role of Rachel Dawes for The Dark Knight, (possibly due to Tom Cruise's brainwashing) so she was replaced with another actress, Maggie Gyllenhaal, who actually did surprisingly well in the role.
- This troper saw The Dark Knight before Batman Begins. It was kind of a let down to see Katie playing Rachel instead of Maggie.
A good picture for this article could be taken from an excerpt of this AWKWARD ZOMBIE comic:
http://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic1-031008.php
It demonstrates this trope perfectly.
In Pokemon, the female soon-to-be-gym-leader Misty was replaced by the female coordinator character of May, although the latter was indeed a distinctly different character. She was then replaced by the female coordinator character of Dawn in a straighter use of this trope.
Bombchus actually are enemies in Majora's Mask. Should I delete the comment or make another below it to clarify?
Bosley and James Bond - Hiring a new actor to portray a needed ongoing character doesn't fit into this trope.
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