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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Apr 6th 2023 at 10:31:55 AM •••

Removed a bunch of examples for not being strawmen:

  • Animal Inn: Generally averted by Val — she loves animals and won't eat meat because she can't bring herself to eat an animal she might have helped care for in her veterinary work (though she will eat animal products like eggs and cheese), and does occasionally cringe when someone else brings up the subject of eating meat in her presence. However, she doesn't try to force her beliefs on others, stating in book 4 that "I don't expect everybody to feel the way I do about animals", and will help prepare meat dishes for her family. She also isn't opposed to animals eating meat when it's in their species' nature. However, she does have a rather strong objection to hunting, which becomes a plot point in book 11.

That sounds like, well, a vegetarian, not a Straw Vegetarian.

  • Fauna Ceres from hololive is one as a personal lifestyle choice, though she doesn't mention it often as she's well aware of the stereotype and finds that kind of preaching off-putting. She doesn't begrudge anyone eating meat and has only ever gone Soapbox Sadie once on Minecraft for a joke.

Again, not a Straw Vegetarian. If anyone knows her work, it might be worth making an entry for her behaviour in the Minecraft video.

  • Clover from Totally Spies! claims to be a vegetarian but has no problem with eating seafood, which technically makes her a pescatarian.

Doesn't mention her being a strawman, just that she uses incorrect terminology.

I'm leaving the below example in, but I don't understand it. It seems like it's arguing with itself: first calling her an aversion, then saying that she comes off as a straight example in her interview. Someone who knows the work is welcome to fix it so that it makes sense.

  • Averted by Karen in Sims Big Brother 8. While her interview makes her sound like one, where she states her goal is to introduce one houseguest to veganism or at least vegetarianism but she doesn't outright say it.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 20th 2023 at 4:51:48 AM •••

Continuing clean-up:

  • Similarly averted on Bones with Temperance Brennan. Her diet change was an outgrowth of one, the pig farm incident at the end of Season 1 that was connected to her mother's death, and two, writing in the real-life choices of the actress playing her.

Aversion.

  • CSI averts this completely with Sara Sidle. She did complain when Grissom wanted her to clean up his meat experiment, but now they seem to have a good understanding, and she never fell into the stereotypes at all. She does occasionally point things out to someone in the break room but doesn't get pushy about their choices.

So is this.

  • Mostly averted with Phoebe from Friends, who disapproves of meat eating but doesn't condemn her friends for it. When she is pregnant, she gives in to her meat cravings and Joey offers to go vegetarian for the rest of her pregnancy so no extra animals will have to die.

"Disapproves of meat eating but doesn't condemn others for doing it" is... just normal, respectful behaviour.

Leaving the below example in for now, but not sure about it, since it's not about vegetarianism:

  • Parks and Recreation: Chris Traeger isn't quite a vegetarian, but his health nut tendencies are treated in the same manner. One episode sees him attempt to get hamburgers removed from City Hall's cafeteria because they're unhealthy, and he makes a proposal to Ron Swanson: They have a cook-off where Chris makes a turkey burger and Ron makes a hamburger. Chris slaves over his burger, making it with expensive ingredients, while Ron just slaps ground beef on a grill. Ron wins in a landslide, and when Chris has a bite, he announces that beef is just inherently better.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
AnCatDubh Since: Jun, 2010
Aug 19th 2012 at 3:22:50 AM •••

Shame RL examples are disallowed... A few years ago, a particularly notoriously stupid contestant on the Israeli version of Americas Next Top Model said she was a vegetarian, so she eats only chicken instead. She said, and I quote, ‘It’s not an animal, it’s poultry!’*

What trope does that fit?

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joeyjojo Since: Jan, 2001
Nov 15th 2012 at 10:30:55 PM •••

Hard to say, a lot people use the term purely to mean "red'' meat, i.e. not seafood or poultry.

Yes it may come across as arbitrary (even hypocritical) to a lot of people, but it's common to a lot of cultures. Like how fish doesn't not count as meat for Catholics.

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joeyjojo Since: Jan, 2001
Nov 15th 2012 at 10:30:55 PM •••

Hard to say, a lot people use the term purely to mean "red'' meat, i.e. not seafood or poultry.

Yes it may come across as arbitrary (even hypocritical) to a lot of people, but it's common to a lot of cultures. Like how fish doesn't not count as meat for Catholics.

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns Since: Jan, 2001
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
May 17th 2012 at 9:43:02 AM •••

Should this page even have the section for stereotypes? As with the other pages in The War on Straw, the strawness is due to how the character is used. A Straw Vegetarian is such because s/he's used to represent the mainstream of vegetarianism, not because of how s/he behaves specifically.

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