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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan)
The Draftsman of Doom
Nov 13th 2022 at 2:59:44 PM •••

Any objection to Propping Up Their Patsy? Seeing as you hypothetically cannot see this trope on a character page without knowing that the character who it is listed under is the actual culprit of a plot-driving crime, with or without context.

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Asterlix Since: Feb, 2022
Nov 13th 2022 at 3:36:19 PM •••

I agree with including it.

Here there be cats.
Gemser Since: Dec, 2014
Nov 14th 2022 at 6:25:04 AM •••

This can be the main premise of a work and thus be established in the exposition. Imagine a courtroom drama which is told from the real culprit's point of view.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
Nov 14th 2022 at 9:36:01 AM •••

I suppose, but in practice, it is often enough a massive spoiler, like it is in The Fugitive and Knives Out.

Rawr.
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
Nov 15th 2022 at 1:58:25 PM •••

If nobody else objects, I'll add it.

Rawr.
Gemser Since: Dec, 2014
Nov 16th 2022 at 2:12:12 AM •••

So I see this list is going just as bad as before I tried to rework it.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
Nov 16th 2022 at 3:51:18 PM •••

No need to get personal, Gem.

If you like, more people can weigh in.

Edited by SkyCat32 Rawr.
Amonimus (Sergeant)
Nov 17th 2022 at 5:29:47 AM •••

IMHO it's not passing requirements 1 and 4 to me. If I saw this trope on a work page and the context is hidden, it wouldn't inherently tell me much, so it's not a Spoilered Rotten to me.

I also don't see how Propping Up Their Patsy is inherently a Plot Twist. The trope can still happen if the culprit is known.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
Nov 17th 2022 at 12:36:13 PM •••

Fair enough. I still think that as a betrayal trope, spoilers should remain unmarked, as suggested in the TLP.

Rawr.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan)
The Draftsman of Doom
Oct 26th 2022 at 11:16:31 AM •••

Any objection to adding Previously Overlooked Paramour? You nigh-literally cannot see the trope name on the page without it giving away someone's role in the plot as an unexpected love interest.

Besides which, the page itself is spoilers off.

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Gemser Since: Dec, 2014
Oct 27th 2022 at 1:19:54 AM •••

I believe this a) can happen relatively early on in the work and b) might only surprise the main character but not the audience. So no, I wouldn't add it but that's just my opinion.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
Oct 27th 2022 at 4:46:39 AM •••

Fair point, but it is still enough of a common spoiler that I consider it worthy of discussion.

Rawr.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020
Oct 29th 2022 at 10:48:38 PM •••

i think it can be added; even if it's not a spoiler every time, it is often enough that it qualifies imo.

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
Oct 31st 2022 at 6:19:18 AM •••

I take that as a yes. Thanks for weighing in.

Rawr.
Gemser Since: Dec, 2014
Apr 28th 2018 at 1:58:53 AM •••

Alright, as there are no objections, I will implement my draft. Note that I still left out the following tropes:

* All Just a Dream: I believe this is subject to Tropes Are Flexible and often applies to only minor story arcs. I believe most tropers know this so this is not necessarily spoilered rotten.
* Massive Multiplayer Scam: After reading through the examples, I believe this can happen in the exposition, ergo not SR
* Mole in Charge: can be established in the exposition
* Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies: This is a tabletop game trope, not the same as Kill Em All
* Two Dun It: Does not tell you which two characters dunit, so still not SR.
* Wham Episode (only on recap pages): Even on recap pages, it doesn't tell you very much WHAT exactly happens.

Special Case:

Okay, I have to surrender on this one. After pondering about it for months, I just can't tell if this is SR or not. I believe there are constellations possible where there is explanation necessary but this might be too constructed and it also might be another case of Tropes Are Flexible. There's definitely more input by tropers necessary and welcome. As long as this issue isn't decided, it will not appear on this list.

Edited by Gemser
Gemser Since: Dec, 2014
Nov 21st 2017 at 6:52:04 AM •••

I believe that there are some massive issues with this list, with a LOT of shoehorned tropes (people just keep adding random plot twists or death tropes here) and a too short description. I didn't want to change it right away to avoid vandalisms, but however here is my draft for an improved version of the article (feel free to check). If there are no objections I will make these changes soon.

Some tropes just have Spoilers built into them. It's often because they give away their endings, or very important twists, and which important characters live and die, so even naming these tropes along with a work is a spoiler itself.

They fall into three categories: A) Tropes with „spoiler“ in the title or tropes specifically about spoilers in fiction. B) Tropes that immediately spoil the whole plot in one second just by naming the trope together with the work (emphasis is on „rotten“ here) C) The same like type B but on (and only on) character pages. D) A combination of types A, B and C.

Note: This list needed some massive rework. Don't add tropes that could be spoilers or even just are often spoilers or any random death, ending or plot twist trope (there are other lists for that). For a trope to be eligible for type 2, 3 or 4 of this list it must fulfill all four of these requirements: 1) It must give away HUGE plot points about the resolution of the main premise of the work, so it should be both and ending trope and a plot twist trope at the same time (death trope optional). 2) The trope cannot happen in the exposition of a work or the introduction of a character (note that this often the reason why death tropes fail to make this list) 3) It must immediately tell you the outcome of the work and/or change the tone or even genre of the work and you will never be able to see the work in the same light again after you have read the spoiler. 4) There is no more explanation necessary, just the appearance of the trope on the work's list is a spoiler itself. To test this, take a random show and imagine this trope appearing as a Zero Content Example in the Main or character section. If the show is immediately spoiled now (reading the example text is not necessary), it belongs on this list. If it needs more explanation, it does not, and you shouldn't add it.

Either way, be wary of reading examples in these tropes, these are the most spoilers you'll ever get.


Type A

Type B

Type C (note that theoretically every death or reveal trope could fit here, but only list tropes that cannot happen in the exposition by their very nature)

Type D

This leaves out following tropes (with the requirements given that they fail):

Edited by Gemser
Narsil Since: Nov, 2009
Aug 31st 2011 at 3:59:14 PM •••

Any objection to my adding Through the Eyes of Madness? "The protagonist was crazy all along" is often a twist ending.

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