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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 10:06:21 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Misused, started by TokoWH on Feb 13th 2015 at 5:36:10 PM

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Redthatcat Since: Dec, 2020
Mar 25th 2021 at 8:57:59 AM •••

Should definitely not always be confused with Enemy Without / Enemy Within, but they do overlap sometimes. Its only a Shadow Archetype when said Enemy is representing something a character doesn't like about themselves.

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Ctrooper2011 Since: Sep, 2011
Sep 29th 2012 at 2:03:30 PM •••

I'm confused; what's the main difference between this and Evil Counterpart?

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blueflame724 Since: May, 2010
Sep 29th 2012 at 5:48:33 PM •••

Well this is more of a super trope to Evil Counterpart. Yes, many of the most prominent examples include evil counterparts, but it's not exclusive to them. The shadow archetype does not have to evil per say. For example, the hero and his lancer are often contrasts and foils for each other; the hero may be an idealist while the lancer is a cynic. For example, Superman and Batman.

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azul120 Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 5th 2013 at 4:16:30 PM •••

Shouldn't it be titled Shadow Counterpart, then? The term archetype is too vague when applied to a single character.

blueflame724 Since: May, 2010
Apr 5th 2013 at 6:40:09 PM •••

I think it's precisely because Shadow Archetype encompasses several different kinds of contrasts, and the archetype is specifically meant to address all the things which are similar and different about a character, not just whether they're evil/darker/internal but all these things. Counterpart would imply that they're almost satellites and duplicates of each other, which I think evil counerpart already addresses.

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azul120 Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 18th 2013 at 12:04:01 PM •••

Shadow Archetype implies different concepts, whereas Shadow Counterpart implies similar yet different characters, who aren't necessarily evil counterparts.

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Cider Since: May, 2009
Sep 12th 2013 at 2:51:37 PM •••

It is not a super trope. To quote the main page.

"Those tropes have examples listed of characters playing those more-precise Shadow roles that often overlap with this but do not have to."

A shadow archetype, when applied to a character, is another character who embodies things they do not like about themselves. An evil counterpart could openly hit on someone the good character has a crush on but wishes he did not or they could just be equivalents in two opposing armies but otherwise have nothing in common. The former being a possible shadow archetype, the latter not.

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Komodin TV Tropes' Sonic WikiCurator Since: Jan, 2001
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Jul 18th 2010 at 10:46:57 PM •••

Removed this:

  • "Magical Project S" Misao Amano is the perfect example initialy she is portrayed as a shrinkingviolet , timid girl ,weak,with low self steem, lonely, ever sad and practicaly friendless girl(with the exeption of sammy). On the first episode she is granted magical powers and transforms in the evil magical girl pixy misa tough she is not aware of said transformations and doesn't remember anything that she did while transformed.
Her alter ego pixy misa is her exact oposite she is a cardcarring villain , a villanous harlequin, extroverted ,atention seeker, carefree, fun loving and chaotic evil.
  • However what makes her the perfect example is that tough at first the audience was lead to believe that Misao was just being brainwashed until It was revealed that It wasn brainwashing but pixy misa was actualy herself, (her represed aspects of her personality, how she would be without restraints ) and all the evil deeds she did (tough she wasn't aware of what her alterego was doing)was because of her lack of self-steem , feeling she was wortless, feeling lonely and unloved and also was secretly jealous of sammy. At the end she learns of the existance of her dark side and comes to accept it, leading to a split personality merge

Besides being a new example on top of the section it was posted in, the grammar is simply atrocious. Can someone more versed in this particular work fix the grammar and see if this is a good example of this trope?

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