Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Per TRS, the following is being done:
- Define Queer Media as works focusing on queer issues and queer experiences as the primary subject matter and prune the rest
- Create an LGBT Representation Index
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1625746750070274200&page=10#comment-244
Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Unclear Description, started by Pichu-kun on Jan 9th 2019 at 6:31:07 PM
Delete this; got sent twice. Blanking it tells me I need some text. -_-
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Does Spongebob Squarepants belong on this list since nick has said the character is asexual
Edit sorry accenidentally replied instead of a new post
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Could we add notes to the end of works that specify where they land, specifically? It would cut down on the need to search other pages for info on works that fit multiple subgenres, whether it be the work's page, or the page of one of the genres and cross-referencing it with other parts. For fear of describing it poorly (which I'm pretty sure I am), I'll just give examples:
- Love Me For Who I Am (Non-binary)
- one night, hot springs (Lesbian, Transgender)
I'm sure someone else can word the tags it better if it's accepted (and make it not feel like tags on an 18+ site, but maybe that's just me), but I feel like it'd help a lot, especially for works that don't have a page for that kind of media, like non-binary or transgender. Yuri works could benefit from that as well due to the fact (which is mentioned on this very page) that there's nothing dividing the "for men" and "for gay women" works like yaoi and bara have.
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Can this include works about gender-noconforming characrers even if they're straight and/or cisgender?
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This index includes a comic about a straight boy who is gender-conforming so yes.
I think this index would be more useful if it explains the works in the list:
- Wandering Son: The main characters are a transgender girl and boy.
Is there any way this index could be renamed? "Queer" is still considered a slur by a number of people in the LGBT community and they're not comfortable being labeled as such.
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Um, not all of them do.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Gilgamesh
Should this list be only for works that were targeted primarily to an LGBT audience? Some works are mainly LGBT appeal, yet made by mostly straight people and targeted to broad audiences. For example, Brokeback Mountain, Arashi No Yoru Ni, and almost the entire Yaoi genre in Japan (Yaoi Fangirl is not a rare thing). I had to remove Brokeback Mountain from the list because it wasn't actually gay-made or targeted primarily to gay people, though it certainly wasn't exclusive to them. In fact, as segments of society become even more inclusive, there are lots of non-stereotypical mostly-LGBT-appealing works whose creators and audiences include at least as many straight people, like an audience version of a gay-straight alliance. Shouldn't this list include those works?
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We discussed Boys Love and Girls' Love over at YKTTW. Boys' Love, in particular, is primarily marketed to straight women, thus we felt the genre fell outside the criteria of the index. There is undoubtedly broad and overlapping appeal, however the underlying idea was to catalog works that are produced by a particular constellation of subcultures and deal with their communities, in their own voices.
For instance: Boys' Love, created primarily by straight artists, by and large presents very idealized, romanticized depictions of gay male relationships. Bara, primarily produced by gay artists, does have romanticism and escapism but also often deals with homosexuality more realistically and sometimes autobiographically.
The criteria may seem overly-stringent, but the focus for this index is on providing a catalog of works that originate in subcultures and communities that are all too often still marginalized. We also wanted to err on the conservative side so that the index did not become simply an enormous list of "every work with a queer character in it ever". We also didn't want to duplicate the efforts of Queer Romance or the Fan Yay entry, which already serves as a catalog of works that have strong LGBTQ appeal.
I hope that articulates the philosophy behind the index a bit better. Of course, it's a process of collaborating and compromising, so there's always room for discussion!
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Ahh well. I suppose Brokeback Mountain really doesn't belong in this list then. I decided to leave Vinci And Arty though, because even though it's made by a straight married couple (she's an artist, he's a writer), it is mainly for a gay audience.
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