Discussion Main / ProtagonistTitle

I asked about this very thing in the crash rescue thread. The only comments about removing those "names" were agreement that they should be removed. You may wish to make your case there, since this is a new trope, or in Ask The Tropers.

My argument is that titles like "Leisure Suit Larry" are not the protagonist's name. His name—in the specific case of Leisure Suit Larry—is Larry Laffer. In the case of Superman, his actual name is Clark Kent or Kal-el. I'm not going to go into an Edit War with you, so I won't remove the examples only for you to take them down.

I will PM you to get your immediate attention, but please, let's just keep the discussion in one public place.

I based the description of Protagonist Title in Antagonist Title.(actually, i copied and pasted the description and altered to involve protagonists and not antagonists). The motive to my insistence is because Protagonist Title is so "redundant" when Antagonist Title and because code names are a type of name- and the reason that the comic books received their names is because of the status of the characters in question as protagonists. Create a new YKTTW to "Super Hero Identity Title" sounds redundant to me.

Antagonist Title allows for the names of "the person, group, or force" that are the primary antagonists. It does not necessarily allow for the nickname or alternative name. That said, Antagonist Title appears to have a lot of misuse on the page (i.e. Mean Girls, Terminator, Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban). That is a separate issue, and a cleanup thread would get more consensus on that issue; until that thread is made, let's focus on Protagonist Title.

I never proposed to make a YKTTW draft of a "Superhero Identity Title" or "Superhero Persona Title." I proposed—in the crash rescue thread—that Protagonist Title may require an unlaunch so tropers can refine its definition so as to keep it from being redundant with Character Title.

Speaking of which, I don't think Protagonist Title is redundant considering Antagonist Title. I think Protagonist Title is redundant considering Character Title when Protagonist Title lists any and all names (note that that includes nicknames and code names and aliases) of the main character.

I not said that Antagonist Title turns Protagonist Title redundant. I said that Protagonist Title is so "redundant" when Antagonist Title. This is a subtrope, similar to Antagonist Title. Both Antagonist Title and Protagonist Title are a type of Character Title involving a specific role in the story.

Sorry, I wasn't sure what you meant. I agree that Protagonist Title and Antagonist Title are both subtropes of Character Title. However, I think that if Protagonist Title lists titles that are any and/or all names of the main characters, then Protagonist Title won't stand out enough from Character Title to be its own trope. I think that they would essentially list the same works—or list most of each others' works.

To decide if something is tropable, i generally give a look in the description and if this is used sufficiently often. Character Title is "name of character used to the title". Protagonist Title is "name of protagonist used in the title". Antagonist Title is "name of antagonist used in the title". Character Title, in terms of distinction, is so distinct of Protagonist Title when of Antagonist Title.

That's oversimplified; their definitions are "the name is the title" not "the name is somewhere in the title." More complex names go in Character Name and the Noun Phrase or Name and Name or The Namesake. Antagonist Title, for instance, is "name of the antagonistic force, group, or individual is the title" and is not "name of the antagonist is somewhere in the title" or "name of the antagonistic force, group, or individual is somewhere in the title."

Protagonist Title is about protagonists, not about random characters.

I agree with DunDun that this should only list titles which are the actual name (or part thereof; for instance, a title that was just the first name of the protagonist would still count) of the protagonist and only the name of the protagonist.

Also, any examples that are both here and on Character Title should be deleted from Character Title, as examples are supposed to be listed only on the subtrope (if they fit), not both the subtrope and the supertrope.

Septimus, did you mean Character Title is about protagonists and not random characters?

I guess that they mean that Character Name and the Noun Phrase, Name and Name and The Namesake do not exclude random characters.