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Mar 20th 2021 at 6:38:25 AM •••

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Shepard1 Since: Jul, 2013

Jul 22nd 2013 at 5:10:19 PM •••

Mass Effect 3: My change was undone citing "fanon is not allowed". Please consider following aspects: 1. Bioware intended the ending to be interpreted by the players in different ways. There is no single canon defined by Bio Ware:

Game director and executive producer, Casey Hudson said:

"I didn't want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people-debating what the endings mean and what's going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in." "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how, um, committed the fanbase is. We don't want to comment either way. Don't want to be prescriptive — fans interpret their own way." "There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it's a story that people can talk about after the fact."

2. Several Bio Ware staff commenting that the endings will be perceived much more favorable after the players receive future content:

Michael Gamble, Mass Effect Producer, 2 days after the release hinting that players will just love Mass Effect 3 after future content will be released: https://twitter.com/GambleMike/status/177942797880541185

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

Bio Ware Community Manager Jessica Merizan on twitter: http://www.thevine.com.au/life/tech/mass-effect-3-and-the-ending-debacle/

Bio Ware hinting that upcoming content (Mass Effect 4?) will make all those fans happy which are now disappointed by the "ending plot holes" / "ending senselessness".

User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough." @masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."

3. Bio Ware hinting that the ending decisions will have an effect on the story of Mass Effect 4:

User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing." @masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."

User 5: "I loved 98% of ME 3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?" @masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."

4. Bio Ware hinting that not everything seen on screen in the ending was really happening (but instead a hallucination of Shepard):

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me." @masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."

Bio Ware asking the players to interpret the endings by themselves before Bio Ware will clarify the ending in the future:

User 1 - "Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. :( Good game though!" Merizan - "I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk :)"

Bio Ware saying that it cannot confirm Shepard being lied to by the Child and lying in London hallucinating without spoiling the mystery for the players:

User 2 - "then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire." Merizan - "augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now :P"

Bio Ware hinting that Shepard was not discussing with the Child in the decision chamber but instead fighting the Reapers:

User 3 - "But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night." Merizan - "are you sure he went meekly into the night?"

Bio Ware hinting that the Child should no be trusted: https://twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/statuses/180492732215734272

"@Cmdr Owen Shepard Well, depending on what you think of the Guardian, maybe it wasn't being truthful?"

Bio Ware's Jessica Merizan even linked to the page on BSN discussing the Indoctrination Theory.

Bio Ware's Jessica Merizan hints that Shepard does not need to die and will get together with with his/her love interest (despite them being _shown_ stranded on a remote planet and destroyed Mass Relays preventing fast travel):

"@vrumpt Hasn't Shep earned being able to celebrate with his/her LI after saving the galaxy? Ignore the dieing part :p"

Bio Ware's Jessica Merizan saying that even the cut scenes after the decision chamber look almost identical, the in-game reality was different depending on the players last choice (which interpreted extremely, means the Reapers can win): https://twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/180493962228928512

"@Mortarn Pistol @J Sixgun @dee3eep It totally didn't end the same for everyone. Similar cut scenes do not equal same endings."

And finally, Why would it be OK to have the tropes "Or was it a dream" and "All just a dream" to be assignet with the movie "Total Recall" form 1990? In that movie it's also only up to the viewers decision whether he thinks the Hero is in a dream up until the end of the movie... or not. It's inconsequential to not allow the appropriate tropes to be assigned to Mass Effect 3 given that with the game, the game staff even gave the amount of evidence described above.

Regards.

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Sheadog369 Since: Nov, 2010

Jun 16th 2011 at 7:50:09 PM •••

Considering the nature of this trope, should spoilers stay unmarked and have a warning before the examples, like the Death Tropes?


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