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XanderClarke Since: Jan, 2022
Jan 3rd 2024 at 11:58:56 PM •••

I'm rather confused with Playing-With of this trope. If someone falls from great height, without slowing the fall down at all, but survives, does it count as this trope? I added Halo Infinite example, where Chief can fall from the top of mountains and survive without problem, but now I'm not sure if it fits this trope. Also wanted to add several examples from DOOM, but now I'm not sure about that too.

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SchisselEL1 Bowl-full-of-names Since: Aug, 2015
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Feb 18th 2020 at 1:56:12 PM •••

The stresses of acceleration bit means that, fall far enough, and it is the -falling- that kills you, well before you even reach ground ...

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
Nov 4th 2017 at 5:43:50 PM •••

Isn't "falling through trees" a bad example, since it (potentially) means you're hitting & breaking through multiple branches consecutively, thus incrementally slowing your descent?

You'd still have to be really lucky to survive that way, but it seems like a bad example to use when trying to show why this trope doesn't work. (See also the "grabbing flagpoles and washing lines and canopies when falling from a tall building" urban variant).

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JoeKapootie Since: May, 2018
May 15th 2018 at 10:46:35 PM •••

I realize this is an old topic, but you are absolutely correct, and this article ought to be corrected accordingly. I'm a physicist, and the extent of damage caused by the fall is related to the rate of deceleration. Trees are good at breaking falls because, number one, branches have some elasticity (like a spring or a trampoline) and so each branch slows your descent more gradually than concrete or dirt would, and number two, as you've pointed out, the branches will cause you to decelerate in incremental steps rather than all at once, since the branches will break before fully bringing you to a stop, and as a result, you will hit multiple branches on your way down. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade for an example of someone who actually did fall out of an aircraft and survive because of snow and trees breaking his fall. The fact that someone actually did survive such a fall makes it pretty obvious that the idea is not as ridiculous as this trope entry claims. This principle, incidentally, the same reason that parkour athletes tumble when they make high (one storyish) jumps. By letting their legs buckle, they spread the deceleration from landing over a longer period of time, allowing them to be unscathed despite falls that would injure a normal person. It is also the same reason why falling onto a trampoline or a bed does not hurt like falling onto concrete does (its elasticity increases your deceleration time).

Candi Sorcerer in training Since: Aug, 2012
Sorcerer in training
Mar 8th 2013 at 12:35:29 AM •••

I don't have the source to hand at the moment. But a few years ago I was reading a book about forensic autopsies, and the subject in question had jumped off a building, apparent suicide. He had landed on his feet, but they weren't sure if the distance to fall had been enough to kill as opposed to severely injure him. (Even in the city on a sidewalk.)

Turns out that somehow, the way he hit and when he hit as his heart beat forced a massive amount of blood into his heart. (That was the theory.) His heart literally exploded; the one telling the story said it looked like his heart had shredded into fine spaghetti. Very unusual. And another way for the stop at the end to be lethal.

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Thecommander236 Since: Aug, 2011
Mar 8th 2013 at 1:35:33 AM •••

... Eww. Hope that's an urban legend.

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AlixeTiir Since: Jan, 2014
Dec 6th 2011 at 3:03:54 PM •••

Shouldn't we add the Leap of Faith thing into the assassin's creed examples? It seems like pretty much the same thing to me. Jump off 10-story building, land in hay bale, magically survive.

Woottang Since: Dec, 1969
Dec 4th 2011 at 2:11:35 PM •••

New troper, but what would the best way to discuss climbing ropes as a possible real life example?

I would like to point out that modern dynamic ropes are elasticated and so potentially avert(?) this trope as opposed to the old school climbers who first tied inelastic hemp ropes around there waists which would of course have helped very little.

macroscopic [[color:purple:♏]] Since: Jul, 2009
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Apr 16th 2010 at 6:11:30 PM •••

Cut the following paragraph. We don't need a physics lesson embedded in the trope description:

Mind you, it's not the stop either. It's the SPEED of the stop that kills you, and how you feel that speed. Decelerating from terminal velocity to zero in 15 seconds is significantly less fatal than the 0.0001 seconds you get from hitting concrete. Also, the human body can theoretically sustain sudden accelerations of up to and beyond 46 Gs (451.3 metres per square-second, or transitioning from a speed of just over 1000 mph to 0 in a second for reference). This requires the person to be very well-restrained, however, to distribute the force along the entire body, must also be in very specific directions (pushing into the body laterally from the front, or "eyeballs-in"), and will still result in permanent damage (as the test subject, John Stapp, learned). Unrestrained, an average person's tolerance tops out at 17 Gs eyeballs-in, 12 Gs eyeballs-out (laterally from the back), and only 5 Gs up or down along the spine, as long as the entire decelerative force isn't concentrated at a single weak point (like that shoulder that once happened to attach the arm presently grabbing at the ledge to the rest of your body). To put these numbers in context, Apollo 16 briefly reached 7 Gs on re-entry, while a Formula 1 racing car decelerating from top speed might reach 5 if the driver is feeling daring. When in 1983, Soyuz "T-10-1"'s escape system fired to blast the capsule clear of the burning rocket, the two-man had almost 20 Gs and were badly bruised.

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NinjaVitis Since: Dec, 1969
Apr 8th 2011 at 5:21:33 PM •••

It's not even the "the speed of the stop" that kills you: it's the fact that one part of your body decelerates rapidly and the rest of it starts to decelerate… a little bit later. Squish.

Camacan MOD Since: Jan, 2001
Oct 3rd 2010 at 8:52:36 PM •••

Moving an example to the examples page: the gist appears to be that if a character can change their vector by wrapping a cable around a fixed object when following a trajectory in zero-G he must have been moving fast enough to get hurt if he hit something. That's too complex and indirect to make a good example.

  • Subverted in Enders Game and by Proxy Enders Shadow. Bean becomes Ender's 'Special Tactics' team leader and Bean procures a bunch of steel rope. He uses it in the Zero-G environment of the battle room to make pin-point turns, and considering that "The enemy gate is down" most times he'd be swinging up and around a crate and shows that unpadded and without proper training it really fucking hurts.

KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
Aug 4th 2010 at 5:43:36 AM •••

You know we should really only list examples in video games when it happens within the story. If it happens within the gameplay then shouldn't it be associated with Acceptable Breaks from Reality?

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