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Is this a Dead Horse Trope or maybe an Undead Horse Trope? I don't see many kids shows afraid to say dead or die these days.

• The main series RWBY does this too, regarding the same incident. When Ruby first wakes up after awakening to her silver-eyed powers, she talks to her Cool Uncle Qrow. As she remembers what happened to Pyrrha, she asks if they were alright. Qrow looks down and simply says "[they're] gone". This might seem unusual, considering that we actually see the death happen, and Qrow is The Cynic so it can be hard to imagine him being gentle in that regard, but his niece DID just go through a great trauma, and he IS about to tell her about her aforementioned silver-eyed powers, so it could be that he didn't want to upset her too much, particularly since that would risk drawing Grimm to the house.

This seems like a stretch. RWBY doesn't really shy away from saying "die" "killed" or "dead" (except that narmtastic "She's going to get hurt") In this particular scene Qrow said "gone", but at the same time the show does not shy away from the fact that said person is dead. "Dead" would've sounded much blunter, given that Ruby had just recovered from coma, so using even obvious euphemism sounds natural.

There seem to be a lot of examples that are just "death is phrased in another way, even if it's more because it sounds better than because of censorship".

I'd just like to add that a guideline I use when evaluating if something is an example of this trope or not is to ask myself: "Would the sentence sound more natural if you replaced X word with "died" or "killed", etc."? Would anyone in real life be more likely to use "die" or "kill" rather than say what this character said?" If the answer to these questions is yes, it's an example. If not, not.

Just my thoughts.

Does this count if they aren't using death in a literal sense, but are still using words like "kill" and "die"? For example, in Friendship is Magic of all things, Rarity says "couldn't you just simply die!" (regarding clothes) and when the mayor dresses as a clown for Nightmare Night, Spike says "The rainbow wig kills it for me." Would these go on this page, or is there a more relevant page for them?

I changed this sentence:

Jews can't say or write their God's real name that is Jehovah so there is no in numerology the 15 or 16 letters.

to:

Jews don't say or write their God's real name, and this even extends to combinations of letters which spell out parts of it.

To begin with, in Judaism God's name isn't Jehovah. Nobody remembers how to say it, since it was forgotten before vowels were added to the Hebrew alphabet. It's just the letters yud and hey and vav and hey. These are often written with the vowels for the Hebrew word for Lord, to remind people how to pronounce it. When you read the consonants straight with the vowels, you get "Jehovah", but Jews don't consider that to be God's name.

As for there being no 15 or 16 in Hebrew numerals, that's not actually true. Hebrew numbers are represented by letters. Fifteen would normally be written with yud and hey, which is like "10+5", and sixteen by vav and hey or "10+6". But those would form names of God, so instead they're written as "9+6" and "9+7" (teit + vav and teit + zayin, respectively). I'd put all that in the article, but it's long and not really relevant.

I know I don't actually need sources on T Vtropes, but I do have them in this case. For the first thing, please see the last paragraph at http://www.jewfaq.org/m/name.htm and for the second, http://www.jewfaq.org/m/alephbet.htm (the last sentence of the second paragraph of the section labeled "Numerical Values")

Removed this bullet from the Avatar The Legend Of Korra example:

• It is notable that in the series, they use debending as a metaphor for death. This allows them to get away with probably the closest thing to the Holocaust ever shown on children's programming. Plus, if you're going to get away with the villains going out in a Murder-Suicide, you're going need to make all the sacrifices you can get.

They don't really use de-bending as a metaphor for death — after they die, people aren't usually seen walking around spiritless and hopeless. And they don't get better in teh season finale! If de-bending is a metaphor for anything, it's more like sexual assault (but even that's kind of iffy). And the comparison to the Holocaust is pretty weak. And the last sentence makes very little sense.

I read somewhere that in PG Wodehouse 's stories he uses euphemisms for death all the time. I'm not sure this is true or if it belongs here. It might have something to do with death being mentioned in context of someone's parents die and leaves them a fortune as backstory for a comedy.

Is this trope only about refusal to say "die" or "kill", or a catch-all page for censorship on kids' shows? Because the description sure seems to think it's the latter, even though there are only a handful of actual examples that go outside the scope of the former.

Was this named after the catchphrase in the movie Goonies? (Which swore quite a bit for it's PG rating, and given all of the things that the movie complains, implied torture, and perhaps the first instance of Cool and Unusual Punishment in its modern common incarnation ... how has this movie not been re-rated to PG-13? Especially with the Cyndy Lauper music.) Only one instance of Goonies is mentioned in the page, which is in the music section.

• In Master of the Mirage Pokemon, the virtual Mew is decompiled and his data taken (full-on Digimon Tamers style!) by Mewtwo but manages to hold him back from within, allowing Mewtwo to be taken out, which sends Mew to his death again. There's a tearful goodbye as Mew fades to nothing. In the end, the entire VR system is destroyed. In other words, Mew is dead times three. It... doesn't get much deader than that. However, our heroes (and narrator) are certain that Mew survived and they'll all see him again. Uh... suuure.

The characters not guess Mew survived, they guess Mew SOUL survived, because he was more than a mere program.