In my own personal view, I'd say misanthropy means self-racial discrimination/hatred. Would that be the case?
Can this trope apply to non-human characters regarding members of their own species?
Do Real Life examples really belong here? Last I checked, this is TV Tropes Wiki, not Passing Moral Judgment on People You Don't Like Wiki.
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I am extremely dubious. May want to report that here
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From the main page:
- As is Death Note's Light Yagami.
- Not sure if Light qualifies considering that he seems to care about human life and believes humans are good; that it's just a few rotten apples spoiling it for everyone and if he gets rid of them only good people will remain (and they will conveniently worship him). Though Death Note does have a true Misanthrope Supreme in the form of K from the Alternate Continuity spinoff L: Change The WorLd. K believes that Humans Are Bastards and the world would be better off after their organization releases a virus Depopulation Bomb killing them all.
Does anyone who actually knows Death Note want to sort this out? Is there an example here or not?
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K is definitly a Misanthrope Supreme. Light Yagami you could argue either way via Alternate Character Interpretation.
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Light's a socipathic prick who suffers from A God Am I tendencies, but he's convinced that their really are "good" people out there. He's sort of like a whacko fundamentalist in some ways: he believes there are good people, its just that who's in that group gets smaller and smaller the more he sees of the world. I think Light could have ended up like this, but isn't one himself.
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Trev-MUN: Okay, the way people are acting over that example image is getting ridiculous.
- reason: Just A Face And A Caption05/Apr/10 at 03:08 PM by Kerrah 88.114.255.155Deleted line 0:[[HalfLife https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/DrBreen2.jpg]][-[[caption-width:186:"I find it helpful at times like these to remind myself that our true enemy is Instinct."]]-]
When I was still an Unknown Troper, I was miffed to see this happen. No, I wasn't the one who put the image up there—it had been there since at least October of last year. But okay, fine, Kerrah had a reason to remove it. As Just A Face And A Caption says, a common sin of contributors is to let their Fan Myopia get the best of them and put in a pic that just shows off the face of one of their favorite characters with a caption that makes a joke off of how they fit the trope in their show.
In other words, Just A Face And A Caption is an example image with an in-joke or meme that does nothing to explain why the character is worthy to be an example image to people not in the fandom.
I feel the proper thing to do, rather than being a Wikipedia Deletionist, is to edit the caption so that it doesn't feature a quote from the character, but describes who the character is—especially when it involves a character who very much is an example of the trope.
So that's what I did. And just so people would have less of a reason to sweep the image under the rug (or so I thought), I potholed a number of other tropes to better explain what can't be said in a brief caption.
Apparently to many tropers, though, Just A Face And A Caption means "feel free to delete any example image regardless of whether or not its caption strives to explain why the image is a fitting example" instead. Because this is what happened soon after:
- reason: none given13/Apr/10 at 08:56 AM by GG Crono 76.196.246.118Deleted line 0:[[HalfLife https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/DrBreen2.jpg]][-[[caption-width:186:[[HalfLife Meet]] [[TheQuisling Dr. Breen]], [[LesCollaborateurs overseeer]] of humanity's [[{{Darwinist}} slow culling and conversion]] into -->"[[CyberneticsEatYourSoul cybernetically enhanced]]" [[AndIMustScream misshapen]] [[EmptyShell things]].]]-]reason: Adding more links to the caption doesn't make the image illustrate the trope any better. "Random bearded dude who you'll only recognize as an example of the —>trope if you know the work he's from" is not a good illustration.13/Apr/10 at 07:27 PM by Micah 99.23.153.135Deleted line 0:%%Seriously, people, STOP deleting example images for no good reason.[[HalfLife https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/DrBreen2.jpg]][-[[caption-width:186:[[HalfLife Meet]] [[TheQuisling Dr. Breen]], [[LesCollaborateurs overseeer]] of humanity's [[{{Darwinist}} slow culling and conversion]] into -->"[[CyberneticsEatYourSoul cybernetically enhanced]]" [[AndIMustScream misshapen]] [[EmptyShell things]].]]-]reason: none given13/Apr/10 at 08:22 PM by 94.0.125.166Changed lines 1 from:%%Just A Face And Caption still applies to the Dr. Breen image, no matter how many links that describe him are added. What, do you want an award for all the Wiki Walking?
I think some people need to read the definition of Just A Face And A Caption again, because these are just thinly-veiled attempts to sweep an image under the rug for no good reason other than their personal dislike for that image. And I hate that.
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Having read Just A Face And A Caption, I must say I agree with the people who want to delete the image. Nowhere on that page does it say the caption is the main concern, and that fixing it makes the picture okay. It pretty clearly spells out that it's the picture that should demonstrate the trope, and having a picture of a character you feel fits the trope just isn't good enough.
I don't know, it makes a pretty strong case for the caption being a major part of the problem.
- "A common sin of contributors is to let their Fan Myopia get the best of them and put in a pic that just shows off the face of one of their favorite characters with a caption that makes a joke off of how they fit the trope in their show. This will rarely, if ever, do a good job of showing off the trope. Nobody who isn't a fan of the show will get who this character is or how they fit the trope and the caption just won't be funny to them. "
Though the "strong visual impression" mentioned later on makes a point. The image of Dr. Breen is from an article on him at Valve's developer site, which also has a number of his speeches.
Maybe it would be better to use a split image showing Dr. Breen as he is there with a picture of what he's overseeing the conversion of humanity into, as taken from this article.
Okay, I took the images of Breen and a Combine Stalker from Valve's developer site and set them to backdrops from the Citadel (Breen's office, as well as one of the Citadel areas). Hopefully this solves the need for a stronger visual impact.
I also changed the caption to something less Trope Overdosed. What do you guys think?
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Okay, so the only way this trope is going to get an image is that if we know who the most well known example of the trope is. Any ideas?
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