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Korodzik Since: Jan, 2001

Mar 2nd 2023 at 6:34:39 AM •••

Removed the following example. It doesn't list the title of the work, and asking on YKTS failed to bring any replies.

RPG Maker: Appears as a possible outcome in a certain game. While all aspects of society become automatized, this makes the majority of the population "superfluous" and without employment (everyone except the owners of the machines, presumably, and even those are hinted to have been "terminated" by their automatons at some point). The masses of former workers and employees are forced to re-create a new parallel society on a much more primitive technological level, contending for resources with the machines. Depending on the actions of the player, the machines could either be convinced to provide their production to humanity for free (which is the "good" ending), or else, they can be convinced that their existence is no longer "required", as their entire point was to perfect the efficient production for consumption and in their own perfection they have defeated their own purpose as nobody benefits from their production. This will convince the machines to shut down (the "bad ending"), allowing humanity (as is implied in the ending) to rebuild on the remnants of the terminated machine civilization and eventually re-create a primitive society.

QuantumReality Since: Mar, 2010

Jan 13th 2018 at 3:03:27 PM •••

Would Ted Faro's actions in Horizon Zero Dawn fit any of the categories listed on the Ludd Was Right page?

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jormis29 Since: Mar, 2012

Jan 13th 2018 at 5:34:54 PM •••

Personally I think he would be more Evil Luddite considering that his actions are not shown in a positive light

baschapp Since: Sep, 2014

Dec 20th 2014 at 5:38:32 PM •••

In some ways, Ludd WAS right. For example: some restaurants now have remove ordering computers built into their computers. Thus, waiters are obsolete(or at least will be when they add in robotic delivery machines). Yes, this creates new jobs for the people who fix such machines, but what about the teenagers who have no idea how this stuff works? What about the adults who couldn't afford college? And the college students who need money to pay for their expensives? They're out of luck. Advanced technology may create new jobs for the EDUCATED, but the young and uneducated are out of luck.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)

Dec 21st 2014 at 1:45:11 AM •••

Economic policy discussion goes here for the record.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

ilniaj Since: Apr, 2013

Dec 19th 2013 at 2:03:20 PM •••

Where did the Headscratchers page for this trope go?

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Telcontar MOD Since: Feb, 2012

Dec 19th 2013 at 2:12:13 PM •••

Headscratchers for tropes are (slowly) being removed as per this forum thread.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001

Feb 3rd 2013 at 9:56:05 PM •••

"Alternate title: Ludd was Aight."

...How is this a pun? Am I missing something? A pun involves a double meaning of some kind.

cynwakefield Since: Dec, 1969

Mar 14th 2010 at 1:07:39 PM •••

Real Life

there's an island in the pacific that used to use 500-pound wheel-shaped rocks for currency. when the british found this place they used modern tools to make them en masse, the modern stones are worth much less than the old ones, partially because part of a stones value was its "pedigree", or what it was traded for in the past. weird, amirite?

Can someone who knows what this person is talking about clean this up?

Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010

Mar 11th 2010 at 6:38:35 AM •••

Chabal 2: Butlerian Jihad? Would someone care to explain this title?

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girlyboy Since: Jan, 2001

Mar 11th 2010 at 8:20:06 AM •••

In the well-known Dune series of science fiction books, the Butlerian Jihad was an ancient war between humans and intelligent machines, which the machines lost. The consequence was that artificial intelligence was outlawed, to the point that all work that would be done by a computer (or heck, a pocket calculator) even today in Real Life, from complex mathematics onward, is instead done by highly trained human beings.

It doesn't make perfect sense as an alt title, but the basis is there: The Butlerian Jihad showed that if you use technology for too much and give it too much power in everyday life, it will turn all dangerous and evil and you'll have to fight against it; and the solution is a Ludd-like approach in which certain technology is outlawed and human abilities are used instead.

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