Can someone list examples of villains that are a mix of Light Is Not Good and Dark Is Evil?
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The Orzhov Syndicate and the Legion of Dusk are MTG religious factions that have a neat gothic catholic aesthetic.
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I think the current pic is bit self-refuting. We know the angel is evil... because he has black skin and red eyes.
Yes, but he does come from the sky and light and all.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
There's not even that much light. Mostly it's dull/dirty yellow clouds. Like I said, it's like they added darker elements to a standard "shining angel" picture to make the whole thing seem more evil. Which sort of contradicts the trope.
The ideal would be a picture that fully preserves the bright elements but still comes off as evil.
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Fixed with honours. I trust no one will object to Elesh Norn's bright and well lit act of genocide
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Motion to make the picture that of Light Yagami. Why? Because of the pun value. Extra points if we can get a picture of him smiling and happy.
In Dark Souls, Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, created the dark signs and made humans undead because of his fear of the Dark, humanity who had been given the Dark Soul at the advent of Fire and the prophecy of the Dark Lord, who would end the Age of Fire and renew the Age of Dark according to the primordial serpent, Kaathe. In addition to this, the faith based characters mostly pray to Gwyn and other Lords, so their goodness is questionable.
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There was a mention that there are some good Real Life examples in Light Is Not Good. The one about the KKK and the Shining Path terrorist organization fit this trope pretty well.
- Above all, individuals of European descent ("Whites," depending on whose perspective you're coming from) are not necessarily good by virtue of their skin color alone.
- The Shining Path terrorist organization from Peru.
- The webstore Jinx.com sells a t-shirt that says, plainly, "The Sun Is Trying To Kill Me".
- I don't know about that, but... the sun is plotting against us
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- Excessive exposure to UV rays from the sun can cause burns and cancers of the skin. Inverted in that a small amount helps to avoid vitamin D deficiency.
- I don't know about that, but... the sun is plotting against us
- Many deep sea fish, in particular the angler fishes. They have light-emitting organs, which are used to attract prey.
- Many predatory birds have white in their colouration. For a mouse, a white stork certainly isn't good!
- Swans. White, beautiful birds that are surprisingly aggressive when a person gets too close They also come in black, mind. And the black ones used to humans are actually very gentle and shy by comparison.
- Your Mileage May Vary, but those white suits worn by some men in tropical climates (and the American South) scream "untrustworthy" to many people. Possibly because they invoke thoughts of slavery, colonialism, drug lords, and televangelists. The only exceptions that leap to mind are Mr. Rourke and Colonel Sanders (and the former isn't entirely trustworthy, while the latter is still ominous if you're a chicken. Or somebody watching for trans-fats. Or a chicken watching for trans-fats.)
- Anyone who had a close glimpse of the Hiroshima bomb explosion didn't get to enjoy the bright spectacle for very long (if the intense light didn't blind them first).
- Everyone knows white clothes always get stained first!
- The men in the white coats will take you away.
- The Ku Klux Klan and their white, saint-like robes with those hoods and crosses... *shudder*
- They're supposed to be the ghosts of dead Confederate soldiers.
- Frickin' Laser Beams. Sure, they enabled CD, DVD, fiber optics, accurate distance and speed measurement, precise medical procedures, a new dimension in metal working, holograms and it might enable fusion power plants in the near future. Whenever a Mad Scientist gets their hands on one, they become nothing more light focused into a beam of death or blindness.
- This can be said of certain religious figures who claim to be something along the lines of "vessels" of the light, using religion as a means to a goal.
- To a certain extent, The Axis Powers, or at least Germany and Japan, can be said to fulfill this trope because both countries made heavy use of sun symbolism. The swastika was originally a benign Buddhist symbol of the sun before it was Hijacked By Hitler, and the Japanese at that point were obsessed with the sun, believing that their emperor was descended from their sun goddess. Needless to say, those regimes were anything but good.
- The Swastika continues to be a benign Buddhist symbol, but Hitler hijacked it from Scandinavia or Germanic tribes, and it's inverse to the Buddhist version, which symbolizes the turn of the sun.
- Much more Imperial Japan than Nazi Germany; the Japanese played the solar symbolism as far as possible, dressing white uniforms and depicting the red, rising sun in their flag. To Nazi Germany, the swastika was meant to be merely a peace/good luck symbol, without direct connections to the sun. In addition, the Nazis were opting more for a dark appearence, with the usage of skulls and dark clothes, and hence becoming an inspiration for the stereotypical western villain.
- Magnesium fire. Fire in general applies, but the white flames of magnesium fire are among the most intense and explosive. Even in small amounts can be ridiculously explosive.
- What tipped off actress Dominique Dunne's friends that there's something wrong with her boyfriend is that he wore white a lot. Sure enough, he killed her later that year.
- While white is associated with purity and cleanness in the West, it some Asian countries the color is a representation of death and mourning (also the fact that the bones of the dead are white when removed from flesh). In Egypt white was associated with the lifeless desert that covered much of the country; black was held to be the color of life, representing the mud-covered fertile lands created by the flooding of the Nile and giving the country its name (Kemet, or "black land").
- White materials show colored stains and dirt very clearly, due to the high contrast. Make of that if you will...
- When stars get old, they become this trope: becoming giant and roasting all life near them, or just exploding in dazzling light and destroying their planets. Even now they can have Good Is Not Nice moments, bringing radiation to cause sunburns, or worse
- It is about time The Illuminati finally got listed here.
- Polar Bears are most certainly not Cola drinking saints. Lampshaded in Earth The Book, which tells us, "We used this image of a 2000 pound killing machine to show the tragedies of global warming".
- Par for the course for fundamentalists, found in every religion. That's all that should be said to avoid edit wars.
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Given that the Dark Is Not Evil trope simply means that something which seems evil is actually good (regardless of whether it is literally dark and shadowy), shouldn't this trope cover things which seem good but are actually evil (regardless of whether they are literally light/bright)?
For example, this quote from the film Ghost Town:
"Hey, when the devil shows up, you think he's gonna have little red horns and carry a pitchfork? No, he's gonna work for Amnesty International, and he's gonna give all his money to the homeless."
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MagBas
- On a related note... of the Chaos Gods of Warhammer 40000, Tzeentch is the one most frequently associated with a positive emotion — Hope. He's a wholly self-serving, fiendish master manipulator who casually orchestrates the downfall of even his most loyal and devoted servants centuries or millenia beforehand solely to advance himself and his mysterious "plan."
- All Chaos Gods are powered with both negative and positive emotions, the others are just more often associated with the negative ones—Khorne the Blood God is also a god of bravery, rotting Nurgle is a god of acceptance, while the sadomasochistic Slaaensh is also a god(dess) of love. Tzeench is hope, but also ambition and manipulativeness.
- Nurgle's more like a god of Life, really, and the desire to cling onto it for all it's worth. Those who embrace him are often beings who are on the brink of death, and call on him to save them.
Represent positive emotions not means be "light-themed". The Chaos Gods are closer to The Legions of Hell thematically.
MagBas
- Though not actually light, per se, in Werewolf The Apocalypse, the Weaver, the force of law and order in the universe, turns out to be a psychotic force of usurpation and destruction that is trying to force the entirety of reality to bend to its will. For that matter, the Wyld is a force that creates life, yes, but also uncontrolled and untameable change.
As noted the Weaver is not light-themed.
- Everyone who is cute and gentle in The Grim Adventures Of Billy And Mandy turns out to be evil.
- Worth of noting is Eris, who in her very first appearence was wearing white and had the golden apple as her main power. Being a goddess of chaos, its rather ironic.
- Thats the most noteworthy? Not, y'know, Mandy?
- Worth of noting is Eris, who in her very first appearence was wearing white and had the golden apple as her main power. Being a goddess of chaos, its rather ironic.
Be cute and gentle not means be light-themed.
MagBas
- The titular protagonist of the series Ultimo is a robot boy of such immense beauty and grace that Even the Guys Want Him, and was built to combat and ultimately kill his Evil Counterpart Vice. Unfortunately he does so with concern for collateral damage as artificial as his body, and with a disarming, but altogether creepy, smile that never leaves his face, ever.
- What about the part where he holds two halves of a bus that Vice slashed in half to prevent them from falling on civilians, thus leaving himself open to Vice's attack? Then again, the whole series has a bit of a subversive attitude to good and evil, noting that the authorities of 12th century Japan may be "good," but they steal far more from the people than the "evil" bandits ever do.
Please, where the bit what explains Ultimo link with light?
- While not light-themed per se, Altena from Noir looks like a nun, and acts like a saint, giving a feel that there is no-one alive she wouldn't love. This doesn't prevent her being responsible for countless of deaths, since the Cause is always more important than any life, including her own.
If she is not light-themed, not belongs here.
MagBas
- Big Bad Sousuke Aizen in Bleach and his army of Arrancar all wear white outfits.
- This is more related to the fact that the color white symbolizes death and mourning in Eastern countries.
Come on, in the western countries, white have "snow" and "ice" connotations.
- Also worth mentioning: Light's girlfriend, Misa Amane. At first glance, she comes off as your typical, sweet if somewhat ditzy Kawaiiko, you know, the kind who'll bake you cookies and fawn over kittens. The only problem: she's also an Ax-Crazy serial killer. Nota Bene: Light at least tries to rationalize his actions (even if his rationalizations are all full of holes); Misa, on the other hand, is almost totally amoral. She literally is just along for the ride. Light treats her poorly enough that it's pretty much Kick the Dog.
- Speaking of amoral, she listens to her Shinigami, that incidentally gave her the Note, cares for her enough to have come to her world, saying the story on how she was saved. Instead of showing some bit of gratitude, she proceeds in "joking" about knowing how to kill a Shinigami, and that she's probably thinking of killing Rem. Also, despite Rem asking her to keep this a secret, the first night she meets Light, she tells him everything. This eventually leaves her only in the position of a puppet, with no more guardian and another half of her life shortened. She dies soon after Light.
- She usually dresses in black though. Light himself always dressed a lot more lively-colored.
- Also worth mentioning: Light's girlfriend, Misa Amane. At first glance, she comes off as your typical, sweet if somewhat ditzy Kawaiiko, you know, the kind who'll bake you cookies and fawn over kittens. The only problem: she's also an Ax-Crazy serial killer. Nota Bene: Light at least tries to rationalize his actions (even if his rationalizations are all full of holes); Misa, on the other hand, is almost totally amoral. She literally is just along for the ride. Light treats her poorly enough that it's pretty much Kick the Dog.
The Word of God says she is an Elegant Gothic Lolita to associate she with the darkness and death theme of the series and guess have guessed in "black missa" when created her name. In others words, she is a darkness-themed character.(More kawaikos are not particularly light oriented,also.)
- The second season also gives us Teru Mikami, a passionate prosecution attorney, whose backstory makes you wish you attended school with him. Once he gets his hands on a Death Note and makes with the "sakujo," he quickly turns into the most unhinged and Ax-Crazy person in the show (which is saying something).
More Corrupt Cops are not particlarly light oriented, with or without Freudian Excuse.
- In Monster, Johan Liebert is ridiculously good-looking, always perfectly dressed, kind to those in need and probably the single most evil human being ever to live. His counterpart, Dr. Tenma, is an unstable, accused murderer on the run from the law who is such a good person that when forced to contemplate Johan's murder he starts vomiting.
Ok, Johan is pretty, where his light relation? By this description, he can be easily a vampire.
- Just as Batman is goodness coming in spite of being of the dark, his archnemesis The Joker is a brightly colored lunatic.
Purple and dark green are not very "brightly colored".
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Cut the real life section
, started by Ultimatum on Jun 25th 2011 at 3:26:21 PM
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