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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 23rd 2021 at 7:43:12 AM •••

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Rename, started by Ryusui on Aug 18th 2010 at 8:55:08 PM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sp8desSlick Since: Apr, 2012
Apr 27th 2013 at 4:09:04 PM •••

Is it considered a a Last Villian Stand if it is say The Dragon or the last of the Quirky Mini-boss Squad and they are simply trying to stall the hero?

Hydronix I'm an Irene! Since: Apr, 2010
I'm an Irene!
Aug 18th 2010 at 8:13:47 PM •••

Okay, I gotta ask. Is Emporer Grumm's last fight a correct example from Power Rangers SPD?(and if applicabble, its Sentai counterpart)

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Eddy1215 Since: May, 2010
Aug 19th 2010 at 11:38:16 AM •••

Actually, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that one yet. I'd say it's exactly the same scenario I used in my description.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Aug 16th 2010 at 11:40:54 AM •••

re:cut

I don't really have any issue with the title. The title description and sole example seem to go well together. I also get the feeling I have encountered this so if somebody could come up with an extra pair of examples then it could be worth keeping.

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
Aug 17th 2010 at 7:20:29 AM •••

It should be Villain Last Stand to be grammatical. And the article was unarguably launched prematurely, with no YKTTW. I think it's a trope, it just needs more work, which is what YKTTW is for.

Edited by Fighteer "It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FastEddie MOD Since: Apr, 2004
Aug 17th 2010 at 3:47:05 PM •••

Never launched, anyway. Zapping this in favor of a longer YKTTW and proper launch.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Eddy1215 Since: May, 2010
Aug 18th 2010 at 8:49:43 AM •••

Well, I think I gave it a proper launch this time. As for the name, it means the final villain taking a one man stand.

Edited by Eddy1215
Ghilz Since: Jan, 2001
Aug 18th 2010 at 11:27:29 AM •••

Eddy1215, read Three Rules Of Three. a YKTTW is supposed to stay in YKTTW for three days.

Also, this is a horrible title, Why not Villain Last Stand, which is, ya know, correct and doesn't sound as bad,

Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
Aug 18th 2010 at 12:24:41 PM •••

Eddy, you're pushing awfully close to the edge of tolerance. We already told you it was a bad name and your article was cut once, so next time take more care before launching. We're going to end up renaming it anyway, so you just wasted a lot of people's time.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Eddy1215 Since: May, 2010
Aug 18th 2010 at 12:45:19 PM •••

What is wrong with the name? The description of it doesn't infer that it's a Villainous Last Stand. I call it a Last Villain Stand because it infers that the last villain remaining is taking a one man stand! LAST Villain Stand? Do you get it now?! And for the record, I thought I was following the rules. The YKTTW has been up since Monday.

Ghilz Since: Jan, 2001
Aug 18th 2010 at 12:50:43 PM •••

Go defend your name on the forum then, just click the icon in the top corner of the article's main page.

Personally I understand what you were trying to make it sound like, but the result is akward, sounds like a word salad. Villain's Last Stand has the advantage of conveying the same message, and being grammatically clear.

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Eddy1215 Since: May, 2010
Aug 18th 2010 at 12:56:07 PM •••

For the record, when I was working on the YKTTW, I tried the name Big Bad's Last Stand, but Some Sort Of Troper commented that he believed it was fine the way it was. This was his explanation:

I'll elaborate on that last point: part of it is to not encourage trope decay of the term Big Bad. That's for the sort of guy who can say "Everything that has transpired in this trope has done so according to my design." and who has been controlling a series of events for some time and who acts as a sort of ultimate villain over all the villains. It's very popular with episodic series that get a final villain for the overall season. We're not really trying to bring that trope in here, so let's not confuse things.

The other part is just the length and the concision of Last Villain Stand. On top of that, to me, it makes the villain seem more alone and depleted of numbers which is a key element of the trope.

Edited by Eddy1215
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