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selkies Professional Wick Checker Since: Jan, 2021
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Aug 14th 2021 at 7:59:45 PM •••

So, recently I added tropes common in the K-pop industry & genre, but I feel like the page is all over the place and bloated now. Thus, I'm suggesting that we create another page for Korean idol industry where all these tropes can go, and this one remains as an index for K-music artists. What do you guys think?

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DNAe Since: May, 2018
Aug 14th 2021 at 8:53:13 PM •••

Commenting in support, since I've been talking about this with OP.

I will add that, here in TV Tropes, "Korean Pop Music" is often used interchangeably with "K-pop" and "Korean idol music", which makes things really messy when you're adding artists to an index, for example. Korean pop music and Korean idol music are not equivalents (the idol industry is merely one part of the broader Korean pop scene), and "K-pop" is a pretty nebulous umbrella term originated in Western media with significant controversy on what exactly it means.

Separating the Korean idol industry from Korean pop music (perhaps making the former a sub-trope), with brief mentions of "K-pop" in the pages' descriptions if necessary, will help make discussions far clearer and avoid generalizations and misunderstandings.

selkies Since: Jan, 2021
Aug 16th 2021 at 11:18:24 AM •••

Thanks for the detailed explanation; I suck at these.

Well, any response or other ideas?

Shywarp This site feeds into my OCD Since: Dec, 2014
This site feeds into my OCD
Mar 4th 2018 at 6:52:15 PM •••

Sorry if this isn't the right place to do it, but why were all the character pages for the groups deleted?

Rhapsody Since: Jun, 2014
May 12th 2015 at 4:30:34 AM •••

Okay, this definitely needs a good cleaning up. Main description aside, an index should only list names, right? Whose smart idea was to start listing trivial things like "idol A was in drama B" and "idol C is the sibling of idol D", and even more annoyingly "group E is in this controversy"? (Yes I know I joined in on those habits too but I'm wiser now.) Any info one wants to add about the group/soloist should go in their trope page if applicable, if they don't have one then either make one or don't add any info at all.

May I get permission to change the index layout to this?:

  • Group A
    • Subunit B
    • Soloist C
  • Ex-group member D on a new bullet (if they've gone solo after leaving a group then they should be listed on their own eg. Jay Park shouldn't be listed under 2PM anymore)

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whimsyful Since: Sep, 2010
May 13th 2015 at 10:10:45 AM •••

I'm not a mod or very involved in K-pop anymore, but yeah, the page really should be cleaned up.

Rhapsody Since: Jun, 2014
May 14th 2015 at 1:40:17 AM •••

Well out of the several times I asked about this that makes you and another person back when I tried to ask in the ATT section, that will do. Done.

Twig Since: Jul, 2010
Aug 1st 2013 at 9:38:54 AM •••

Should we add tropes common the K-pop genre as well, or just groups?

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