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Jobbeybob Since: Dec, 2010
Aug 19th 2012 at 10:08:16 AM •••

Shouldn't we delete the "Real Life" folder for this page, since we usually discourage Real Life examples on Villain tropes?

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Aug 20th 2012 at 9:18:30 AM •••

Take It To The Forums.

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Craver357 Since: May, 2012
Aug 27th 2012 at 7:09:12 AM •••

Sorry about the accidental double post of my comments.

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Craver357 Since: May, 2012
Aug 27th 2012 at 7:09:13 AM •••

Exactly what is wrong with Real Life examples for this trope? Does it glorify sympathy for bad people in a way that it makes it too controversial?

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Aug 27th 2012 at 11:43:40 AM •••

No, it calls real life people villains. Bad idea, my friend.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MasterHand Mah boi! Since: Jan, 2001
Mah boi!
Apr 15th 2011 at 8:01:36 AM •••

Should we change the quote? Eridan is now neither ineffectual nor sympathetic.

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MatthewTheRaven Since: Jun, 2009
Aug 17th 2011 at 6:51:19 PM •••

Especially since tools aren't really sympathetic. A tool is pretty much the same thing as a douche, with a bit of loser thrown in.

HiddenFacedMatt Since: Jul, 2011
Oct 9th 2011 at 5:57:23 PM •••

Meh, I`ve since replaced it with a more fitting MLP quote that pretty much sums up the theme of the trope anyway. (Funny thing is, that was before stumbling on this discussion page.)

You can look it up in the page history if you like.

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TwilightVulpine Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 26th 2011 at 10:48:00 AM •••

Spike from MLP:Fi M is not a villain. His actions are fueled by envy, his objective is petty and it's one time only. While he acts like a villain a second time in another episode, he is considerably effective.

I believe there must be a better example.

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Fantomas Since: Dec, 1969
Oct 30th 2011 at 6:41:54 PM •••

Dick Dastardly is actually quite effective in his own way. It's true that he was regularly defeated by a pigeon, but at the same time, Vulture Squadron apparently succeeded in continuing to fight World War One for over 50 years after it ended, on the side which had already lost (since Yankee Doodle Pigeon is obviously American, I assume DD must have been in the pay of Kaiser Bill).

More to the point, his official in-house biography states that he is currently the dictator (or should that be Dicktator?) of Dickaragua. As the unelected but seemingly permanent ruler of his own country, this puts him on a par with Dr. Doom (in fact, ahead of him, since at least he has never lost a fight with Squirrel Girl), and with several real-life supervillains against whom American military intervention was allegedly not only justified but unavoidable! So DD is basically Saddam Hussein with a better gag-writer, and less dead. I wouldn't call that "ineffectual", would you?

jagillette Wimpy McSquishy Since: Jul, 2011
Wimpy McSquishy
Jul 23rd 2011 at 9:59:25 PM •••

I think Chess from The Cape (a TV series) should be added to the list of examples. In the first episode he was a total badass, but from the 2nd on, the audience never got to see him in his costume again and he became all emo FOR NO APPARENT REASON.

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Jordan Since: Jan, 2001
Jul 23rd 2011 at 10:00:42 PM •••

That is not this trope. You are probably looking for Badass Decay.

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asperger1981 Since: Nov, -0001
Sep 21st 2011 at 2:33:00 PM •••

Coudn't we change the name of this trope to 'the doof'?

Heinz Doofenshmirtz is pretty much this trope best poster boy this trope has had in years.

or not?

Jerrik Since: Aug, 2009
Sep 21st 2011 at 6:08:07 PM •••

Lately the site has been moving away from trope names that come from specific characters in favor of names that can be understood by anyone. So I don't think it's likely to be renamed.

EponymousKid Head Lopper Since: Jan, 2001
Head Lopper
Jan 31st 2011 at 5:49:37 PM •••

...You know, the Carpenter image is genius. It's funny how I not only knew that image beforehand, that's actually one of my favorite Batman comics of all time. I should have thought to suggest is previously.

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