Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Rename
, started by Aquillion on Jun 19th 2010 at 11:51:58 AM
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: the redirects make better "main trope name", started by Ookamikun on Feb 1st 2011 at 2:16:01 PM
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Does this trope apply to non-firearms of a gun-like nature, such as Nerf/Airsoft, paintguns, ketchup bottles, and things like that?
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I would personally find these acceptable.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sorcerer in training
"Incidents of this nature have figured at least one Darwin Award."
At least one actual award, some runners up, and many many many submissions, often on a near-monthly basis. And almost always, five seconds of thought and action -especially engaging the safety- would have prevented it.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
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I removed:
- Notably, this is a subversion despite popular sentiment. The man shot had grabbed Cheney's arm from behind, without Cheney being aware of his presence but perfectly aware Cheney was wielding a loaded weapon. Not that this is mentioned nearly as often as the part where he got shot.
Since according to The Other Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident he did not grab Cheney's arm.
deep in though- ow!
Should we rename this to something more clear? For such a widely used and variable trope, its name is rather specific. Something like Gun Wrong would be much better.
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Trope has been split into the following:
- Reckless Gun Usage: catch all "guy doesn't follow gun safety rules, he's lucky somebody doesn't get shot".
- You Fail Gun Safety Forever: somebody who should know gun safety rules doesn't follow them, he's lucky to still have his job and nobodies gotten shot.
- I Just Shot Marvin in the Face: somebody, either of the previous two, doesn't follow gun safety rules, and somebody get's shot. Or at least something important gets destroyed.
- Juggling Loaded Guns: ignoring gun safety for the laughs.
Should we take out the "just" in I Just Shot Marvin in the Face here? It's not in the original quote. Or leave it in because it's become a Beam Me Up, Scotty! now?
It's getting outside wiks, so a rename just to fit the quote more exactly is unlikely. If it was to be renamed, it would probably need something non-dialoguey.
Fight smart, not fair.
In Due Date, Zach Galifianakis shoots Robert Downey Jr.
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'Fritz! Fritz, get up for God's sake! Get up! They've killed Fritz! They've killed Fritz! Those lousy stinking yellow fairies! Those horrible atrocity-filled vermin! Those despicable animal warmongers! They've killed Fritz! Take that! Take this! Take that, you green slime! You black hearted, short, bow-legged... '
No Wizards reference?
Given that many of the examples here are about exciting adventures and time sensitive crises, how absolute are these rules? Might a man with no holster and a need for two empty hands be forgiven for carrying his gun in his waistband or pockets, or is this still so dangerous as to be unacceptable.
Basically, there must presumably exist some line wherein the practicality of ignoring gun safety outweighs the problems. The question is, is how often in our shows and movies might this be understandable. I know very little about guns, so I don't know how likely some risks are to present a lethal problem. It just seems a bit odd to me to be grilling some of these characters about improper gun safety when they've proven able to take 10 bullets themselves and keep going. This question, of course, only applies when trained individuals are in combat or other situations where concerns for gun safety would appreciably prohibited their ability to achieve their goals.
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Putting a gun in your pants as a last resort might be okay, however it should be in the back. It is however, no longer this trope.
Fight smart, not fair.
Rebel without a cause: James Dean takes the magazine out of Sal Mineo's .45, and assumes it's unloaded. Does that count here?
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In Robo Cop, Officer Murphy can be seen actually putting a loaded magazine back in his weapon after his gun-twirling. The gun was empty, and thus the technique WAS safe.
Rebel Without A Cause, no, if James Dean is a cop or some such, the example goes on You Fail Gun Safety Forever, if he's some schmuck, it goes on Reckless Gun Usage.
Since Robo Cop has robot skills, I'll let it slide.
Fight smart, not fair.
Edited the Baccano! example, as there's nothing to suggest that Isaac was actually shot except for Miria's reaction, and she's not a reliable witness; the sequence of events given has the immortality serum being shared around after this incident, and the Martillo waitress doesn't give any indication that she just saw Isaac regenerate.
Think the "just" should be removed from the title?