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, started by DBZfan102 on Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:21:34 AM
Prince of This World's Future™
I'm pretty sure the description is wrong. Unless the trope's definition has actually become that, the Square Peg Round Trope page specifically says that "Hope Spot is not 'things are gloom but there's a window of hope', but a subversion of that exact concept, the characters' hopes are dashed when the window gets smashed." And if that's not outdated, we should probably change it.
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The description continues with "only to be crushed cruelly by the bad guys returning in force", so I don't think it's wrong.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Knows-Many-Things
Mmmk. Take it up with TRS.
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Being derogatory like this is not going to help, comrade.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Is there any particular reason why comic books are left out of this entirely? Or am I just missing the entries?
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Added to that, is there any particular reason there are no real life examples? I mean, I suppose that would be overly depressing, but considereing the nature of the trope, virtually all the examples are that anyway.
Could the ending of Mega Man 6 the last time Dr. Wily was captured be considered a Hope Spot for that timeline, considering what happens after?
Edited by DonaldthePotholer Ketchum's corollary to Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced tactic is indistinguishable from blind luck.
There seems to be an large number of "subversions" in these examples. Maybe it's just me, but it seems unnecessary to list subversions for this trope unless they are unique enough to warrant it, because the Hope Spot itself is a subversion of audience expectations. Most of these "subversions" seem to be "The Hero tried to fight back but appeared to be stopped by Villain but actually he wasn't". That has nothing to do with the Hope Spot, there are separate tropes for most of these occurrences.
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I guess it all comes down to: A Hero's Hope Spot is a Villain's Darkest Hour. And vice versa.
Ketchum's corollary to Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced tactic is indistinguishable from blind luck.
In this Film entry:
The Great Escape. Shortly after being rounded up, the escaped prisoners try to remain upbeat and talk about maybe getting another chance to escape in the future. They are all executed almost immediately.
- Based on Real Life, the Malmedy Massacre, IIRC.
The second item's writer does not RC; the Malmedy Massacre was not the killing of the prisoners from The Great Escape, though physically it resembled the one in the movie — an assembled group of prisoners killed by machine guns. The Malmedy Massacre took place during the Battle of the Bulge and involved killing US infantry. The escapees from Stalag Luft III were killed "singly or in pairs," according to that other Wiki, not in a group as shown in the movie, and were British and other Allied fliers.
I originally put a shorter version of this correction on the main page and was told it was nattering, and should be in Discussion, so here it is.
Is this Toy Story image really the best we can find? It's low quality, and even though I've seen the movie, I had to think about it for a while and read the caption in order to understand what was happening. Out of context, it makes no sense. Personally, I think this trope would be better off without an image, unless someone has something better.
About this trope... is it because spots get easily wiped away, like, you know, a spot of dirt on a glass window? Is that the reasoning behind the definition?
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