Discussion Main / HeelFaceBrainwashing

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Merge Brainwashing For The Greater Good and Heel Face Brainwashing?, started by Earnest on Oct 20th 2010 at 3:04:12 AM

What's the difference between this trope and Brainwashing for the Greater Good?

"On occasion, happens as part of a Memory Gambit"

Okay, now I know. But what if said brainwashing wears off once certain events dictate, and the subject of said Heel–Face Brainwashing snaps back to being very very on the side of bad (as in, after sharing a First Kiss with The Heroine, he hands her over to the authorities). Subversion?

In Literature:

• Artemis Fowl.
  • Not really. Artemis turned good because of his experiences with the People. After they mind wiped him, he turned evil again.

This is kinda nattery. I've never read Artemis Fowl, but from the above I'd suggest something more like:

• Subverted in Artemis Fowl where Artemis turned good through The Power of Friendship, but when they mind wiped him he turned back to evil.

I don't want to make that replacement myself because I cannot vouch for its veracity. Also, who is the "they" that mind wiped him? I'm assuming it's the "good guys", which makes it a subversion of this trope in that an attempt at Heel–Face Brainwashing turned someone who already underwent a Heel–Face Turn back into a Heel.

AA Aaaaaaannnnnnndddd we need an image. I'll bring up in image pickings soon, but I literally have no where to start besides two pictures of Lil'Evil from Sinfest after he lost his memory and that's not even the most appropriate example...

This was in the Anime and Manga section:

• Made a bit clearer in the books, where it's less this, and more the fact that she sent away a guy who was a serial killer, and said villain happened to have kids somehow.

It makes absolutely no sense as a reference to Dragon Ball Z, where it was attached. Could someone who recognizes this item put it back in the list where it belongs?