The subpages already separate examples depending on why they're HIH (usually first listing the real-life causes and then the in-universe ones). Also, altering a trope's, YMMV's or Trivia's scope would require a TRS thread backed up by a wick check and other supplementary evidence that supports the need for the change.
Also, be warned that a creator isn't allowed to add or edit YMMV examples of their own works, so I have to adivse you against doing so anymore.
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The Western Animation subpage doesn’t list them separately, which is what I was reading the other day. Maybe it’s just that subpage that needs to be reorganized.
And I wasn’t talking about adding examples on TV Tropes to my own work, I was literally describing writing my own work — whether or not the audience appreciates the subtle hints that masqueraded as normal dialogue is up to them.
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If there's a subpage where examples aren't classified yet as caused by Real Life reasons or by In-Universe reasons, feel free to edit it to organize the examples.
Also, thanks for clarifying about your edits. =)
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Does it count if a work is based on historical events, and then something happens in real life that's like those events, but not similar enough/based on the work to be Life Imitates Art? For example, if there was a work about 9/11, and then another terrorist attack of similar size and devastation happened.
Should it be 1992: Funny joke or 1994: Funny joke? because according to this. https://ifarm.nl/mortadelo/wtc.html
It was drawn in 1992 but was released in 1994.
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What do we do about the duplicate entries brought over from when Funny Aneurysm Moment was its own trope?
"Funny Aneurysm" Moment got merged with this trope just recently. Since both tropes were very similar (both were about things that aged worse as time went by), it made sense to merge.
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For a bit more detail, Funny Aneurysm Moment was about things in a work that were considered funny or humorous for their time, but in the light of later events (whether in-universe or in real life) got a bad retroactive connotation. Harsher In Hindsight was specifically for moments in a work that were already bad and got even worse in the light of later events (again, whether in-universe or in real life). But since the two instances are prone to overlap (and there's also the issue that whether or not something was funny or harsh was pretty subjective on principle), then the two were merged.
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why does it now have the same pic (and very similar caption) as "Funny Aneurysm" Moment (well now I know they are the same thing now)
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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Why was this moved to Darth Wiki?, started by Fighteer on Apr 1st 2011 at 8:22:53 PM
I think Harsher in Hindsight should be reserved for actual related Hi H types, mainly because the amount of people who seem to put up in various media tropes "Harsher in Hindsight: the tower in this movie explodes, too similar to 9/11"
I feel Hi H should at least have some kind of actual thread toward the subject at hand such as the infamous Taxi driver film, where a dude watched it and tried to impress Jodi Foster by trying to kill Ronald Reagan, not "Tower explodes, 9/11" if the movie is about something similar happening to 9/11, then fair enough.
I just feel its an overdosed trope, especially as it has a whole section to itself.
A loose connection is fine, but as mentioned above, just because it looks tangentally similar is not a cause for said trope.
From YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild:
- The Great Plateau is a rather lonely place to begin with, with the Old Man and a few Koroks being the only friendly NPCs around, but it gets even lonelier when the former turns out to be Dead All Along.
The thing is, there's no "intended Harsher in Hindsight" trope, which I think is an oversight on our part.
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Why is this listed under YMMV on works' pages? It doesn't seem that subjective.
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It's an Audience Reaction, and what one considers harsh may very from person to person.
Ok I have an example but I can't find any information on it
The example:
In Rotten Ralph the episode's plot Super duper blooper show, where Ralph sets up pranks on his family & secretly videotapes it so he could appear on AFV expy show much to the shock horror & embarrassment of the family, becomes a few years later when afv was hit with a lawsuit over a clip in a bob saget era rerun that was sent in the person's neighbors where the secretly recorded him doing something embarrassing
Now I heard of the lawsuit a few years ago (it was filed I believe somewhere between 2003-2007), but I'm having trouble trying to find it now
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It probably still counts now considering cyber bullying, I swear that lawsuit exists
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I think we should add subsections for specific real-life tragedies and controversies (9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, Katrina/Sandy, Bill Cosby, etc.)
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Should natural disasters fall under this trope at all? Natural disasters are just that, natural, and if you are going to have a disaster in a given work based off a real place your likely to use one of the natural disasters that are more likely to occur there.
Example : In ''Infinity Gauntlet'', Japan sinking into the ocean feels a bit tactless after the 2011 tsunami.
Japan has a history of tsunamis and I do not see how a comic from 1991 is tactless 20 years and two other tsunamis latter (one in 1993 and one in 2007).
Thoughts?
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Seems logical to me. I think this trope is due for a cleanup.
I rarely visit the forums to avoid the cynicism ooze.
Seems logical to me. I think this trope is due for a cleanup.
I rarely visit the forums to avoid the cynicism ooze.
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Removed the page image and caption for all sorts of reasons. The caption failed to illuminate what it was captioning- a link does not count. After the 2011 quake, Tokyo was fine and Tokyo Tower was fine- the metro area as a whole suffered few if any casualties or building collapses, so the image has nothing to do with the allegedly related event. It's like throwing up an image of the Sears/Willis tower collapsing in a Sharknado connected with 2011 Joplin tornado. The very concept of including natural disasters for the trope is rather odd, since natural disasters are a certainty mitigated only by our preparations and reactions.
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These quotes don't illustrate the trope or its definition, and leaves the impression that any situational irony could be inserted as examples, whether or not there was ever any harshness in the original presentation.
Is there an In-Universe version of this? Like, a throwaway comment takes on a new and chilling implication given later events?
This article needs trimming there was a plane on screen as the same time as the Twin Towers is NOT an instance of this trope.
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Agreed. People also keep posting instances where someone or something is simply referenced, and then later the person died/the thing had something bad happen to it. An actor appearing in a show and later dying, the WTC being visible in the scenery of a show, people talking about hurricanes, none of these are examples.
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Have the Powers That Be considered if, like Nightmare Fuel, this and Funny Aneurysm Moment are getting to where they should probably just get their own namespace on works pages and no longer have an example page under the definition?
How about a separate subsection for 9/11, since it's the most popular point of reference? Just an idea.
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Maybe something like the set up TooSoon? The problem I was having setting up something like that is that there are tangentially related examples like references to suicide bombers. I'm not sure how to handle it.
I would think of creating a new trope for 9/11-related examples (culled from this, Too Soon, etc.); meaning all examples where 9/11 was shown to be destroyed/bombed/etc. in pre-2001 media.
I think a subsection for 9/11, rather than its own trope, would be best - those examples still fall under this trope, but they do flood the main page as it is.
Do you think it would be worth it to split this trope up (either internally or into two separate tropes) into things that became harsher in hindsight within the universe of the story (the original "funny aneurysm moment") vs. things that became harsher in hindsight due to external events (all the subsequent actor deaths or the September 11th examples)? Also, I feel like "Accidental Elegy" could be a subtrope in and of itself with a couple more examples.
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Yes. I think it makes a big difference whether the events are inside or outside the story world.
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101 Dalmatians: The Series, which released in 1997, had an episode "Alive N Chicken" where Spot the chicken tries various methods to fly. The episode was banned because of the 9/11 attacks, especially the part when Spot flew into the Dog Chow Tower. I seriously doubt it was banned. It was probably withdrawn by the networks themselves; arbitrary government censorship without clear rules is frowned upon in this country.
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Regarding "Mary": I remember reading somewhere that Mary was HIV+, which was the inspiration for the song. She might have actually died of an aneurysm, but aneurysms don't last two years before bursting, and no sane doctor would let it sit two years.
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exactly how is this differant from Funny Aneurysm Moment ?
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Would Detective Conan/Case Closed movie 5 "Countdown to Heaven" count? It was released in Japan in April 2001 and featured the bombing and collapse of a pair of connected skyscrapers, from which the characters have to escape—primarily by rushing down the stairs. And the fire hoses aren't much help in putting out the fire because it's too high up.
I wish this trope separated examples by real-life events and in-universe events, or spun off the latter into its own trope (I'd call it "Recontextualized Remark"). I'm much more interested in real-life examples because the creators of a given piece of media would've had no idea that a future event would color their work, whereas for in-universe examples, those seemingly innocent asides that turn dark with added context may have been intentional (I've put a few of those in my own webcomic, and it'll be fun to return to them when the big reveal happens).
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