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Nov 23rd 2022 at 10:42:20 AM •••

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OC_VORTEKS Since: Mar, 2020

Apr 12th 2020 at 6:55:43 PM •••

Is no one going to mention the Man Behind the Man trope? It seems like they go hand-in-hand.

Eighter Since: Jul, 2018

Aug 11th 2018 at 8:15:29 PM •••

I thought of a fitting picture for this trope, maybe Morgoth and Sauron by Eric Faure-Brac https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/9/93/Eric_Faure-Brac_-_Morgoth_and_Sauron.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140523041759 Just to display a great evil bowing to a greater evil... don't know just spitballing. I know pictures should be added to this trope without permission.

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IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever Since: Nov, 2010

You Give Me Fever

Feb 3rd 2018 at 5:14:06 PM •••

What happened to the launch pad/you know that thing where link? Anyway, the description describing "greater scope villain" as being responsible for the big bad is Trope Decay, pure and simple. This was supposed to be about an antagonistic force that was more powerful than the big bad but not related to the conflict the big bad was responsible for. The missing super trope was Villain of Another Story, which also allows for "villains" weaker or equal to the big bad that are unrelated to the conflict.

If something else is responsible for the so called big bad, then that something is the big bad, or maybe you're looking at a story doesn't have a big bad. But the description as of this posting, is just wrong.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015

Apr 24th 2015 at 12:02:20 PM •••

I'm planning on adding this to Renamed Tropes, but first I need to know why it was renamed from "Bigger Bad". I assume it was to clarify that it didn't necessarily refer to the most dangerous or driving villain. Is there a link to where the rename was discussed/decided upon?

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)

Apr 24th 2015 at 12:55:19 PM •••

It was decided here.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010

Apr 24th 2015 at 12:56:25 PM •••

Constant misuse as "guy who replaces the Big Bad."

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015

Apr 24th 2015 at 2:59:40 PM •••

Thanks, I'm adding this:

Greater-Scope Villain was originally "Bigger Bad", which was often interpreted as "the real/final Big Bad", "the more dangerous Big Bad", "the Big Bad that starts the conflict", or "what replaces the Big Bad".

Any modifications to this you recommend?

IndirectActiveTransport Since: Nov, 2010

Feb 3rd 2018 at 5:12:37 PM •••

oops, wrong box

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

alixplaystation5 The Sneaky Idiot Since: Apr, 2014

The Sneaky Idiot

Apr 30th 2016 at 11:41:17 PM •••

Just out of nowhere, what if we made an inverse of this trope? Greater Scope Hero? Or does that already could as Big Good?

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015

Apr 28th 2017 at 12:13:55 PM •••

That trope would be the Greater-Scope Paragon.


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